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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    Absolute friggin rubbish.

    First of all, oil is produced from a LEASE, not a contract. Those leases must come from the rightful owner of the mineral resource being produced. ALL such leases require that the owner of the mineral rights be paid a royalty, as well as various taxes to Federal, state and municipal governments. When the oil or gas is located on BLM land, the people of the United States of America are the owners and you do indeed get paid royalties by ANYONE who produces. Same goes for state lands - paid to state and for fee leases, the private owner of the mineral rights must be paid. The system of land registration guarantees that the leaseholder MUST pay royalties directly to the lessor, as that is REQUIRED as the function of anyone purchasing the oil or gas.

    Exxon-Mobil is hardly the only player. There are literally THOUSANDS of independent oil and gas producers here. No big secret, just log onto ANY state oil and gas commission website and search the leases.

    I am really starting to doubt the public education system in the US. What the hell have they taught you about your own country?????????
    My response had NOTHING to do with whether or not the oil company has to pay lease royalties, taxes, etc. My response had to do with the false notion that American gasoline consumers somehow get to replace Middle Eastern oil for domestically derived oil. Yeah, Exxon Mobil, British Petroleum, whoever will of course pay their lease obligations right after the sell it to the global market. There is no such thing as our own oil in terms of an ability to replace gasoline from dictators who either hate our guts or rule over people who hate our guts by using gas that originates in the US. All that happens is US petroleum is ADDED to the global market and we're competing with China on who is willing to pay the most for it to determine who the oil company will sell it to .
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    What is it you want to do that if an alternative were supplied you couldn't do?
    Are there any electric cars that can pull a horse trailer? Or a 19 foot bass boat? Do they come in 4-wheel drive? Is there a place for my tool box?
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    All of which industry can and will do very effectively all on their own.
    If that were the case we wouldn't still be driving cars powered by burning fossil fuels 42 years after we passed peak oil in this country.


    What government with a BRAIN (now there's an oxyMORON) would do is research and plan how to build cities and communities in which you don't DRIVE the goddamn car in the first place.
    There has been research into that and as result more mixed use communities are being designed that include a mixture of residential, commercial, and doctors to reduce the need for traveling by car for the things and care one needs.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are there any electric cars that can pull a horse trailer? Or a 19 foot bass boat? Do they come in 4-wheel drive? Is there a place for my tool box?
    With better electric battery's, then hybrids cars will become as tough and powerful as their gasoline driven cousins. As long as they keep researching the technology, future hybrids will improve.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Let us know when they are on the market and the vehicles cost no more to purchase or operate than gas-powered cars, have the same recharge rates as going to a gas station and have the same range as gas-powered cars. Oh, and the production of the batteries can't be any more polluting than gas-powered cars either. If they can't make it as good as what we already have, then it's hardly a substitute.
    You won't need me to tell you and will happen pretty soon IMHO.

    As you probably understand already, ALL new technology follows a predictable pattern of starting out expensive, prohibitively expensive for most people but BECAUSE its on the market, market forces like mass production, competition, etc., create conditions where in short order the prices drop like a brick while simultaneously the technology drastically improves. The PC, cell phone, calculator, HDTV, digital camera, Internet access, etc., etc., all followed that model as in the electric car. The odd dynamic here is there is a national security factor that makes getting behind electrically powered vehicles a greater priority and an significant portion of the population who have been talked into thinking bankrupting Middle Eastern terrorism, dictatorships and nuclear weapons proliferation is a loss for their political team to liberal environmentalists. Thank God they weren't around when 100% government funded NASA was putting a man on the moon or we'd never have electric power tools, ballpoint pens, satellite weather imagery, disposable diapers, Velcro, satellite delivered national talk radio or satellite delivered national cable TV news channels.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are there any electric cars that can pull a horse trailer? Or a 19 foot bass boat? Do they come in 4-wheel drive? Is there a place for my tool box?
    Maybe not currently (I honestly don't know), thus the investment in advancing the technology.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If that were the case we wouldn't still be driving cars powered by burning fossil fuels 42 years after we passed peak oil in this country.
    You need to read my previous posts on the subject more carefully. We are no where near Hubbert's peak. The shape of that curve changes dramatically when you change to price and the technologies brought to bear. We have produced MAYBE 20% of the recoverable oil (and that alone is nothing to be proud of - especially with the consumption curve we have to match it) if not a lot less.
    There has been research into that and as result more mixed use communities are being designed that include a mixture of residential, commercial, and doctors to reduce the need for traveling by car for the things and care one needs.
    Tiny drops in an OCEAN of bad urban planning.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    You won't need me to tell you and will happen pretty soon IMHO.
    They've been saying that for decades. I'm not impressed with the rhetoric, I want to see results.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    You need to read my previous posts on the subject more carefully. We are no where near Hubbert's peak. The shape of that curve changes dramatically when you change to price and the technologies brought to bear. We have produced MAYBE 20% of the recoverable oil (and that alone is nothing to be proud of - especially with the consumption curve we have to match it) if not a lot less.
    Tiny drops in an OCEAN of bad urban planning.
    I was referring to the point where consumption exceeds supply. That is what we passed in the US in 1971. There hasn't been a single year since when we have produced as much oil as we consume.
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