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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, I would definetly say that our energy usage has produced far more benefit than traffic. People wouldnt sit in traffic for an our if it wasnt benefitting them.
    Exactly my point: sitting in traffic may benefit them, but it destroys the world around them, the economy and the future of the country and its unborne citizens for generations to come. But, hey, it benefits THEM, so what's the big deal if we roll the rest of the planet into a stinking brown ball and flush it down the drain?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The original point of the thread - and AGAIN, that research has been done and paid for. Why are you so willing to pay for the same research over and over again? You've expressed no desire to "wean vehicles off of oil", you want them to use electric vehicles when the vast majority of vehicles are internal combustion, you haven't spoken at all to transition.

    Carbon is still the most efficient fuel source. Not worried in the slightest about CO2, I'm more worried about plain CO (and other polluting gases). But with modern emissions systems that's gotten much better.


    You are the only person I have ever heard of that thinks nothing can be better than what it is today. But since you deny the scientific principle of the greenhouse effect, I guess that is not too surprising.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    The unfortunate reality is that far too many Canadians and Americans enjoy all of the independence and personal freedoms without the bother of taking the personal responsibility for their impact on their environment, their fellow citizens, citizens of the world and citizens of the future.
    Our, "impact", on the environment is greatly exagerated.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That sounds a bit nutter and paranoid. Why can't if just be a simple effort to plan for the future?
    It can't be a simple plan for the future, if it doesn't do anything but hurt private citizens.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Won't it be fun to convert every existing car, home, building, campus, and institution around the world to this new energy source?

    No, that won't cost much, and yes, I'm sure every country will just go along with it just fine.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Our, "impact", on the environment is greatly exagerated.
    I take it you have never been in the industrial waste or remediation business, or tried to swim in Lake Erie, or visited Love Canal, or been in oil production areas of Nigeria, or ascertained the millions of tonnes a YEAR of garbage dumped in the Atlantic by NYC or the North Sea by Europeans, or seen the containers of ultra-toxic industrial waste abandoned in farmers fields in Arica, or the massive burial pits of industrial and nuclear waste in Eastern Europe, or bothered to find out what condition farm soil and the Ogilala Aquifer are in right in your own back yard.

    Must be cozy under that rock.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    This is the REAL issue regarding this thread. The business of government SHOULD be to govern: i.e. legislate, regulate, enforce and provide needed infrastructure. PERIOD. Letting them play political games with our tax money (worse yet, DEBT) is so far outside of what SHOULD be their limits it is pathetic. And we all just sit idly by and let it happen.
    Guy I am all for limiting government, however, as humans who need this planet the government (as well as all people) have a responsibility to keep our planet in the best condition we can for as long as we can. Our government has our money. Whether they invest it in researching ways for our planet to be cleaner, or research on whether or not snorting pesticides is bad for our noses, or just plain old pocketing it doesn't change the fact that they have the money. Now when it comes to how the government uses that money I would, by a large margin, prefer that that money go toward researching ways to improve our lives. The only reason this is political is because no matter which side takes any type of stance on anything the other side has to immediately take the opposite stance. Ensuring the health of a planet is not actually a political stance, it is common sense.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    It wont produce results, and the results they hope for are just as polluting as oil. Youre simply moving the pollution from auto engines to mining or generators.
    Just because something still pollutes does not mean it pollutes as much as auto engines. Developing technology away from a method that is proven to be destroying our Earth is not a bad idea.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are the only person I have ever heard of that thinks nothing can be better than what it is today. But since you deny the scientific principle of the greenhouse effect, I guess that is not too surprising.
    Nice try, but inaccurate. My point has been clear (despite your attempts to muddy it). The research we have on tap, the research we've already completed and paid for - let's use that. Let's NOT do it all again, pay for the same thing over again, just to look like we're doing something.

    There are good reasons the yield of that research went nowhere last time, no reason to throw good money after bad.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    I take it you have never been in the industrial waste or remediation business, or tried to swim in Lake Erie, or visited Love Canal, or been in oil production areas of Nigeria, or ascertained the millions of tonnes a YEAR of garbage dumped in the Atlantic by NYC or the North Sea by Europeans, or seen the containers of ultra-toxic industrial waste abandoned in farmers fields in Arica, or the massive burial pits of industrial and nuclear waste in Eastern Europe, or bothered to find out what condition farm soil and the Ogilala Aquifer are in right in your own back yard.

    Must be cozy under that rock.
    Oh, I thought you were talking about private citizens driving cars.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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