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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Electric is not the only option out there, or the only option being researched. They are right, what you don't know about the world and how things works is pretty large, and it is made worse through the misinformation you are getting. research is one of the ways new ideas get developed. They are correct no one just comes up with a fully formed idea right off the bat. Especially when you are talking about something like a car. The only thing you are proving is that the uneducated and ignorant should have no place in deciding the direction of things. They cannot make a proper decision with no information or the wrong information. Not to mention being way to easily manipulated.
    In fact one tier of alternative energy research shows the potential of also addressing decreasing fresh water supplies as its only "pollutant" is purified water, which can be captured possibly for irrigation and even human consumption.

    Another addresses reducing fuel requirements by using extra light-weight composite material for the car's bodies that is stronger than steel but as light as cardboard. Lighter weight means less fuel needed. They need to figure out a way to lower the cars' center of gravity and play with the aerodynamics to keep them from going airborne but that's all being worked on in the lab.

    I'm personally excited that we live in an age where we get to see all these new technologies be developed. People alive 150 years ago couldn't have imagined the things we think of as routine. Instant global communications, transportation, refrigeration and indoor climate control, aviation, space technologies and off of the spin-offs, microwave cooking, digital entertainment media from DVD motion picture technology to digital music archiving to entire libraries featuring thousands of volumes that can carry anywhere and hold in your hand over a Nook, Kindle or iPad. Its amazing to me that so many people actively resist technological advancement, especially one that will save lives by bankrupting terrorism.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yep, and with hybrid electrical systems like mine, people can use on-site solar power when the sun is shining and use grid power when its not, cutting the usage of grid power significantly.

    Additionally, with the use of electric cars we have the potential to cut our gasoline usage by 1/3 of the 45% of oil used in the US for gasoline! And, we have the added benefit of reducing the CO2 that is damaging the environment. That is why I support the research to make it even more feasible to wean vehicles off oil.

    The original point of the thread - and AGAIN, that research has been done and paid for. Why are you so willing to pay for the same research over and over again? You've expressed no desire to "wean vehicles off of oil", you want them to use electric vehicles when the vast majority of vehicles are internal combustion, you haven't spoken at all to transition.

    Carbon is still the most efficient fuel source. Not worried in the slightest about CO2, I'm more worried about plain CO (and other polluting gases). But with modern emissions systems that's gotten much better.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    You accomplish that overnight by simply stopping wasting 25% of the world's energy consumption with just 4% of its population. Oh: that and stop illegally invading sovereign nations whilly nilly and propping up tin-pot despots who slaughter their citizens by the millions.
    Hardly a waste. Weve done great things with that energy.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Not true, my friend. Research as led to at least three new electric car batteries. One, the patent rights were bought out by the oil industry who then refused to allow anyone who use it. The other two are being perfected and are expected to hit the market in a couple of years. One of those reportedly will recharge 10 times faster that the best electric car batteries out now and will travel 10 times farther before needing to be recharged. Once out on the market, this will place many electric cars AHEAD of traditional gasoline cars in terms of range giving some a 1000 mile range that recharges in about a half an hour. They already blow away gasoline cars in terms of fuel costs since the electricity cost equivalent to recharge is only about $1.00 a gallon. Fortunately, this time the Department of Energy has jumped on board of this particular battery that has the indirect effect of preventing the oil industry from buying out the patent, shelving it and hoping nobody will hear about it.
    Let us know when they are on the market and the vehicles cost no more to purchase or operate than gas-powered cars, have the same recharge rates as going to a gas station and have the same range as gas-powered cars. Oh, and the production of the batteries can't be any more polluting than gas-powered cars either. If they can't make it as good as what we already have, then it's hardly a substitute.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'd be happy with just bankrupting Middle Eastern anti-Americanism, terrorism and OPEC/Dictator control over the US economy.
    Mostly, that's because we insist on pissing off the Middle East and not using the oil reserves we have in the U.S. We cause most of our own troubles.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Hardly a waste. Weve done great things with that energy.
    We have also done a hell of a lot more damage than "great things". Sitting in traffic alone in a giant SUV for ten hours a week to drive to a job that probably doesn't need to be done is hardly a "good thing", never mind a "great thing".

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    We have also done a hell of a lot more damage than "great things". Sitting in traffic alone in a giant SUV for ten hours a week to drive to a job that probably doesn't need to be done is hardly a "good thing", never mind a "great thing".
    No, I would definetly say that our energy usage has produced far more benefit than traffic. People wouldnt sit in traffic for an our if it wasnt benefitting them.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Mostly, that's because we insist on pissing off the Middle East and not using the oil reserves we have in the U.S. We cause most of our own troubles.
    -- everyone seems to assume that if we drill for oil in the US, that we will get the oil. And hence, we won't be dependent on foreign oil anymore. But we won't get anything, Exxon-Mobil will.

    The oil that comes from that drilling will not be United States property (Republicans aren't suggesting we nationalize the oil companies, are they?). It will be the property of whichever oil company got the rights to that contract. They can then sell it to whoever they like -- and they will.


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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post

    Ok, that's one out of 3, and only just recently. The US and Mexico still import more crude oil than they export. The US imports way more than we produce.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    -- everyone seems to assume that if we drill for oil in the US, that we will get the oil. And hence, we won't be dependent on foreign oil anymore. But we won't get anything, Exxon-Mobil will.

    The oil that comes from that drilling will not be United States property (Republicans aren't suggesting we nationalize the oil companies, are they?). It will be the property of whichever oil company got the rights to that contract. They can then sell it to whoever they like -- and they will.
    Absolute friggin rubbish.

    First of all, oil is produced from a LEASE, not a contract. Those leases must come from the rightful owner of the mineral resource being produced. ALL such leases require that the owner of the mineral rights be paid a royalty, as well as various taxes to Federal, state and municipal governments. When the oil or gas is located on BLM land, the people of the United States of America are the owners and you do indeed get paid royalties by ANYONE who produces. Same goes for state lands - paid to state and for fee leases, the private owner of the mineral rights must be paid. The system of land registration guarantees that the leaseholder MUST pay royalties directly to the lessor, as that is REQUIRED as the function of anyone purchasing the oil or gas.

    Exxon-Mobil is hardly the only player. There are literally THOUSANDS of independent oil and gas producers here. No big secret, just log onto ANY state oil and gas commission website and search the leases.

    I am really starting to doubt the public education system in the US. What the hell have they taught you about your own country?????????

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