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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    I don't understand why people focus so much on our government trying to do something to better the Earth and trying to stop it when there are so many other things you could focus your attention on that our government is messing up and wasting money on. Considering how our government spends its money, bettering our planet is hardly the biggest waste. It's not even in the top 100.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I don't understand why people focus so much on our government trying to do something to better the Earth and trying to stop it when there are so many other things you could focus your attention on that our government is messing up and wasting money on. Considering how our government spends its money, bettering our planet is hardly the biggest waste. It's not even in the top 100.
    This wont better the earth.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    This guy is a freaking idiot!

    We have tons of natural gas,vehicles will run

    on it nicely and it is cleaner than gasoline.

    Makes perfect sense to spend tons of $ on

    electric cars when we can't build power plants!
    WEdon't have any natural gas, at least not in practical terms. Just like petroleum, multi-national energy companies are the only people equipped to harvest, process and market natural gas. Even if it comes from US soil, its never treated as ours. Drill here, drill now, sell to China while Americans continue to pay through the nose works for NG too, not just oil.

    I do however wholeheartedly agree with you that we need new power plants all over this country. Natural gas should be included along with coal, nuclear, wind and solar as part of the all of the above strategy to generate more electricity. I'm especially excited about home electrical production to supplement the electricity available on the power grid and would be open to code requiring it in sunny and windy parts of the country for new construction. Should pay for itself over time anyway and the more of it that's on the market forces the costs to go down rapidly as well as brings about rapid technological improvements.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    This wont better the earth.
    Why wouldnt it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Research doesn't come out of a wallet, they actually have to have an IDEA first. Most of the companies sucking on the government teat are just playing with the same old, tired, unworkable electric or hybrid vehicle ideas that we've wasted billions on already and are not closer to replacing gas-powered vehicles than they were decades ago.

    Ideas first, funding later.
    Not true, my friend. Research as led to at least three new electric car batteries. One, the patent rights were bought out by the oil industry who then refused to allow anyone who use it. The other two are being perfected and are expected to hit the market in a couple of years. One of those reportedly will recharge 10 times faster that the best electric car batteries out now and will travel 10 times farther before needing to be recharged. Once out on the market, this will place many electric cars AHEAD of traditional gasoline cars in terms of range giving some a 1000 mile range that recharges in about a half an hour. They already blow away gasoline cars in terms of fuel costs since the electricity cost equivalent to recharge is only about $1.00 a gallon. Fortunately, this time the Department of Energy has jumped on board of this particular battery that has the indirect effect of preventing the oil industry from buying out the patent, shelving it and hoping nobody will hear about it.


    A paper describing the research, “In-Plane Vacancy-Enabled High-Power Si-Graphene Composite Electrode for Lithium-Ion Batteries,” was published in October in the journal Advanced Energy Materials.

    “We have found a way to extend a lithium-ion battery’s charge life by 10 times at the beginning of the battery’s life,” said Harold H. Kung, professor of chemical and biological engineering and the lead author of the paper. “Even after 150 charges, which would be one year or more of operation, the battery is still five times more effective than lithium-ion batteries on the market today.”


    Researchers Design Rechargeable Battery with Improved Charge Capacity, Rate | News | McCormick School of Engineering | Northwestern University


    Thanks to a group of MIT researchers, however, a new generation of leaner, more powerful, and easy-to-refuel batteries may be just around the corner. In a paper published in the May 20 edition of the journal Advanced Energy Materials, the group — led by MIT professors of material science Yet-Ming Chiang and W. Craig Carter — describe a novel approach to battery architecture that revolves around what they call a "semi-solid flow cell." [Read also "History Repeats Itself: Carmakers Again Put Electric Vehicles in Fast Lane"]

    'Liquid' batteries could charge electric cars faster | MNN - Mother Nature Network


    Ever wonder why you don't see more electric cars on the road? Maybe it's because oil companies control the patents for electric car batteries. ...
    Chevron now controlled the patents on the battery technology best suited for electric car production, a curiosity considering Chevron banks on sustained or increased oil consumption to support their business. Technology that could propel the electric car into mainstream now rested with a company faced with decreasing demand and profit should electric car popularity explode.


    Oil company ownership of battery patents threatens electric car production - National Conspiracy | Examiner.com
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Why wouldnt it?
    It wont produce results, and the results they hope for are just as polluting as oil. Youre simply moving the pollution from auto engines to mining or generators.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I don't understand why people focus so much on our government trying to do something to better the Earth and trying to stop it when there are so many other things you could focus your attention on that our government is messing up and wasting money on. Considering how our government spends its money, bettering our planet is hardly the biggest waste. It's not even in the top 100.
    This is the REAL issue regarding this thread. The business of government SHOULD be to govern: i.e. legislate, regulate, enforce and provide needed infrastructure. PERIOD. Letting them play political games with our tax money (worse yet, DEBT) is so far outside of what SHOULD be their limits it is pathetic. And we all just sit idly by and let it happen.

    What makes me laugh it the RRR (self Righteous Religious Right) gets the panties in a knot when the government threatens to limit their ability to own assault rifles but hand the same government the keys to their grandchildren's bank account and lets them run the entire country into the ground picking all kinds of winners and losers in business by dispensing privilege. What pees me off is the PCLL (Politically Correct Looney Left) cheering them on to do even more of the same things that have crashed the economy and beggared the nation for generations to come.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Let us know when they come up with a battery design that doesn't pollute the planet as much as the gas-powered vehicles they're currently whining about.
    I'd be happy with just bankrupting Middle Eastern anti-Americanism, terrorism and OPEC/Dictator control over the US economy.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    WEdon't have any natural gas, at least not in practical terms. Just like petroleum, multi-national energy companies are the only people equipped to harvest, process and market natural gas. Even if it comes from US soil, its never treated as ours. Drill here, drill now, sell to China while Americans continue to pay through the nose works for NG too, not just oil.
    Nothing could be further from the truth. ANYONE can - and thousands of individuals and independent producers DO produce natural gas from something as simple as their domestic water well to shallow (CBM) wells and conventional wells drilled intentionally into formations - as well as a LOT of gas produced from independent oil wells (it is dissolved in the oil in many cases). There are endless companies out there who buy the gas (or oil) at the wellhead for a fair price and move it along to the other end of the line - where US CONSUMERS buy the gas. There are no where near enough gas liquifaction plants in the US to put even a tiny dent in the amount of gas produced. There are no piplelines to China. Also, IF any LNG IS sold offshore, realize that gas at the wellhead in the US (upon which prices to US consumers are based) sells for 1/6th of the price that LNG gets in the Asian market. I would LOVE to be sticking it to the Chinese under those terms! (but, we aren't in any great scale).

    I do however wholeheartedly agree with you that we need new power plants all over this country. Natural gas should be included along with coal, nuclear, wind and solar as part of the all of the above strategy to generate more electricity. I'm especially excited about home electrical production to supplement the electricity available on the power grid and would be open to code requiring it in sunny and windy parts of the country for new construction. Should pay for itself over time anyway and the more of it that's on the market forces the costs to go down rapidly as well as brings about rapid technological improvements.
    this IS what happens to natural gas on this continent. It is increasingly being used to fire both base load steam plants and gas turbine peaking plants. Where else can it go????? As to home generation: you need to check out the cost of that before getting too excited. There IS a fair bit of rationale in going with micro-turbines in small business (supermarkets, malls, etc.) but it is a bit capital intensive for the average homeowner (some equipment: Microturbine Capstone Microturbine ? Infinity Turbine ? Parts ? Service ? Waste Heat to Power - Organic Rankine Cycle ORC Turbine New ? Used ? Surplus ? Software ? Training ? Geothermal ? Waste Heat). The biggest concern is that if you do so based on today's price of natural gas (low $2s at the wellhead) and gas returns to the heat value equivalent of crude oil, you will be trying to generate power on a fuel that will be 6x the cost it is when you bought into the programme. Good luck with that one.

    BTW: the domestic price of natural gas is so low precisely BECAUSE there is very little export capacity, and a HELL of a lot of new production - from big guys all of the way down to Mom & Pop operations in the back yard.

    Also: the WORST thing that could happen has happened: gas is cheaper now that it has ever been (remember, correct for inflation). That means we are wasting it at an even faster pace, releasing ever more carbon that WAS safely sequestered in the rock reservoirs into the atmosphere.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'd be happy with just bankrupting Middle Eastern anti-Americanism, terrorism and OPEC/Dictator control over the US economy.
    You accomplish that overnight by simply stopping wasting 25% of the world's energy consumption with just 4% of its population. Oh: that and stop illegally invading sovereign nations whilly nilly and propping up tin-pot despots who slaughter their citizens by the millions.

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