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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We haven't produced as much oil as we consume since 1971, regardless of who was in control of the government. Canada and Mexico also consume more oil than they produce.
    Wrong, you didnt do your research. Canada produces 3.6 million barrells a day, but only consumes 2.2 million. Mexico produce 2.9 million but only consumes 2.1 million. The US is the third largest oil producer in the world. With a lot more off limits. So, theres no need to send soldiers off to secure it elsewhere. Hey look, we agree!

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And yet those two are are major foreign suppliers of oil for us here in the US. Canada being our number one foreign supplier.
    And yet they import more oil than they export to us.

    World oil prices (including the US) are determined by the world oil market. And most of the world's oil reserves are in the middle east.



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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    How about we just look at US imports, nothing was said about reserves (btw those are guesstimated capacities in your chart there).

    If you look at current figures, we import more from non-OPEC nations than we do OPEC nations. Canada is by far our largest supplier, distant second is Saudi Arabia, and a very close third is Mexico. These are US government stats btw.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Wrong, you didnt do your research. Canada produces 3.6 million barrells a day, but only consumes 2.2 million. Mexico produce 2.9 million but only consumes 2.1 million. The US is the third largest oil producer in the world. With a lot more off limits. So, theres no need to send soldiers off to secure it elsewhere. Hey look, we agree!
    The US represents about 4% of the worlds population and uses 25% of the world's oil. The last year the US could produce as much oil as it consumed was 1971,



    Canada - "Oil - imports: 1.088 million bbl/day (2009 est.)

    Definition: This entry is the total oil imported in barrels per day (bbl/day), including both crude oil and oil products.

    Source: CIA World Factbook - Unless otherwise noted, information in this page is accurate as of July 26, 2012"

    Canada Oil - imports - Economy


    Mexico - "Oil - imports: 496,000 bbl/day (2009 est.)

    Definition: This entry is the total oil imported in barrels per day (bbl/day), including both crude oil and oil products.

    Source: CIA World Factbook - Unless otherwise noted, information in this page is accurate as of July 26, 2012"

    Mexico Oil - imports - Economy
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You took me to task when I asked about your initial 49% figure (I said I'd seen 43 to 47%). Okay, so 45%. And a similar amount being used for plastics. As people prove to be resistent to massive changes in their fuel supply, why not make the changes in plastics and achieve the same reduction you're after? I know we developed usable bio-plastics in the 70s, government funded.
    I'm all for using bio plastics. But show me your source that says the US uses 45% of it oil to make plastic?
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm all for using bio plastics. But show me your source that says the US uses 45% of it oil to make plastic?
    Well since the EIA doesn't keep that stat we'll have to look elsewhere (but what the heck do you think plastics are made from?).

    From the EIA:
    EIA cannot determine exactly the amount of crude oil produced in the United States (U.S.) that is consumed, as refined products, in the U.S. However, the majority of the crude oil produced in the U.S. is refined in U.S. refineries. The U.S. also produces other liquids that are used in the refining process that are added or blended with the refined products. In December 2012, the U.S. produced about 7.03 million barrels of crude oil per day and imported about 7.58 million barrels per day.

    EIA is not able to track how much domestically produced crude oil and other liquids are exported in the form of refined products. The small quantity of crude oil produced in the U.S. that is exported, nearly all to Canada, may actually be returned to the U.S. as refined products.

    The U.S. became a (slight) net exporter (exported more than we imported) of refined petroleum products in 2008. Refined petroleum products produced in the U.S. from both domestic and imported crude oil are exported to other countries. The volume of net exports of refined products in December 2012 was equivalent to about 8.5% of the total volume of U.S. petroleum consumption in December 2012.
    Start here:

    Plastic bags are made from oil: it takes about 430,000 gallons of oil to produce 100 million plastic bags, and the U.S. goes through 380 billion of them a year.

    A statistics class at Indiana U did the math: more than 1.6 billion gallons of oil are used each year for plastic bags alone. The more we use plastic bags, the more we waste oil.
    Then just to show you why the answer can be hard to find.

    Many claim to have a concrete figure, but those figures are all over the map ranging from 2% to 25% of all oil used goes to plastics.

    However, you're ducking the point - why not replace oil usage for all non-fuel usage of oil first?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, then start pumping your private funds into a project and make us all look like fools, it's such a great idea. Whatcha' waitin' on?
    Which deviates from what I said. The Space Race was publicly funded.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

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    Which deviates from what I said. The Space Race was publicly funded.
    You're comparing apples to oranges.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, if it was such a groovy idea, the oil companies would have already cornered the market
    It is not in the oil companies best interest to have an alternative fuel source available, especially if it is cheaper. There is not way oil companies will go down without kicking and screaming. You can be sure they already do everything in their power and financially to prevent any competition with alternative fuels.

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