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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    As long as there are plastics on a car, and paint on a car, foam in the seats of the car, vinyl, faux leather, cloth, rubber, etc...cars are not weaning off of oil.


    We have this obsession with gasoline, like it's the main use for oil.



    It's not. It's not even close. We should try weaning water bottles off of oil first, then work our way UP to cars, lol.
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    And for fuel economy, unless we use more nuclear, electric cars are not the answer. He's putting the cart before the horse. He needs to be putting that money towards investing in power technology. We need to learn how to generate the power to operate electric cars better, not work on the electric cars. We have brown outs in CT every year, because our power companies can't keep up with current electricity consumption. I shudder to think what will happen is everyone here drove electric cars, lol.





    He's right that we need to throw some money at R and D, but he's throwing it in the wrong direction.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And for fuel economy, unless we use more nuclear, electric cars are not the answer. He's putting the cart before the horse. He needs to be putting that money towards investing in power technology. We need to learn how to generate the power to operate electric cars better, not work on the electric cars. We have brown outs in CT every year, because our power companies can't keep up with current electricity consumption. I shudder to think what will happen is everyone here drove electric cars, lol.

    He's right that we need to throw some money at R and D, but he's throwing it in the wrong direction.
    No, hes not right. The federal govt should not be spending taxpayer money on energy production unless its directly related to defense.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And for fuel economy, unless we use more nuclear, electric cars are not the answer. He's putting the cart before the horse. He needs to be putting that money towards investing in power technology. We need to learn how to generate the power to operate electric cars better, not work on the electric cars. We have brown outs in CT every year, because our power companies can't keep up with current electricity consumption. I shudder to think what will happen is everyone here drove electric cars, lol.

    He's right that we need to throw some money at R and D, but he's throwing it in the wrong direction.
    Even though the US/Canada grid reaches peak capacity in many places, many times a year, believe it or not that is not the barrier to plug-in electric cars. The solution (IF one is going to use electric cars - and for urban use, it actually makes sense) is to charge at night. That is accommodated by demand billing rates that make it far more economical to charge during off-peak hours. The missing link, as it were, is some kind of load shedding scheme to protect regional distribution from overload - and plug-ins during peak hours would be a good target - both for very high cost near peak and shedding when peak exceeds capacity.

    The sad part is grid reliability is no where near what it should be. The big crash on the Lake Erie loop a few years ago really pointed that out, and there have been literally hundreds of committee meetings and brain storming sessions ever since.

    But, to look at it from a logical viewpoint instead of knee-jerk consummerism reaction: the real solution is NOT to have more generation, NOT to have more cars, NOT to have more grid capacity. The real solution is right in front of us and cost very little to begin, more to take to logical conclusion: STOP WASTING SO MUCH FRIGGING ENERGY.There is far more than enough available right now to stop foreign oil dependency, get everyone working productively, feed and clothe the nation(s) (I have to pluralize that because we waste even more energy per capita than the US).

    To put that in the context of this thread: Obama, nor any other President has any right to waste money that a financially insolvent nation (that is what you are at $15+Bn in debt with over $100Bn in unfunded entitlement committments) does not have to play politics. The solution is not to throw more money into the very leaky pork barrel, but to tax the crap out of energy to discourage people from wasting it and to add that revenue to the budget. Doesn't cost a penny and raises many billions in revenue. It is also the market-neutral way to encourage intelligent energy use by consumers and develop business models that supply consumer goods that are energy efficient (vs. mining the subsidies and handouts).

    There you have it: Cannuck's four sided plan to solve 99% of the nations problems, by INCREASING taxation - energy tax, fat tax, capital gains tax and VAT. Oh, that also means no income tax other than capital gains.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The constitution is supreme to modern day laws. If you think its outdated and doesnt address something, there is a process to amend it.
    Which unfortunately, in today's politically polarized times, doesn't work. That's one part of the Constitution that is outdated.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Of course not, but theres no need to given the abundance of domestic oil. We get more oil from canada and mexico than the middle east.
    We haven't produced as much oil as we consume since 1971, regardless of who was in control of the government. Canada and Mexico also consume more oil than they produce.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    As long as there are plastics on a car, and paint on a car, foam in the seats of the car, vinyl, faux leather, cloth, rubber, etc...cars are not weaning off of oil.


    We have this obsession with gasoline, like it's the main use for oil.



    It's not. It's not even close. We should try weaning water bottles off of oil first, then work our way UP to cars, lol.




    "45% of all oil used in the U.S. goes to gasoline, which means we consume in excess of 180 million gallons of gasoline a day."

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We haven't produced as much oil as we consume since 1971, regardless of who was in control of the government. Canada and Mexico also consume more oil than they produce.
    And yet those two are are major foreign suppliers of oil for us here in the US. Canada being our number one foreign supplier.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "45% of all oil used in the U.S. goes to gasoline, which means we consume in excess of 180 million gallons of gasoline a day."

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    You took me to task when I asked about your initial 49% figure (I said I'd seen 43 to 47%). Okay, so 45%. And a similar amount being used for plastics. As people prove to be resistent to massive changes in their fuel supply, why not make the changes in plastics and achieve the same reduction you're after? I know we developed usable bio-plastics in the 70s, government funded.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which unfortunately, in today's politically polarized times, doesn't work. That's one part of the Constitution that is outdated.
    Then change it.

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