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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post

    Honestly I'm more interested in magnets.... I've taken magnets and spun a fan with them - if I can do that then I can generate energy. All it really takes is correct positioning and polarity... The only reason why I would not call that "free energy" is the simple fact I had to use my energy to make it happen.
    You are just re-inventing the electric motor (see post above regarding Nicola Tesla - he was spinning things with magnets almost two centuries ago).

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yeah, the GOP will block it like they block all legislation that leads to a more prosperous future for working Americans. It's almost as if conservatives don't want working people to prosper. Hmm, there might be something to that.
    No, Obama is just trying to score some political cred, he knows that it's just money wasted, like it has been every other time we've flushed money down the alternative energy hole.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Pfft! All elements are limited!
    Indeed, and some more so than oil at present. Where is the wisdom of making a costly transition to techs that depend upon non-renewables that are more scarce than oil?

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    You didn't pay attention. The price went down, without tax credits.
    You haven't shown that. Since when hasn't the solar industry received government subsidy?

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    An ever increasing effect.
    100 pennies is still only one dollar. We could double the number of those who pop a panel on their roof and it still would be insignificant to the overall system.

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    I never said it would be done overnight! And the more breakthrough discoveries, the quicker the transition away from expensive and damaging fossil fuels.
    Once again, those discoveries have been made. The alternatives are here. Oil and coal remain dominant because they have the highest efficiency and are the cheapest in price. In terms of vehicle fuel, again - the discoveries have been made, but the efficiencies are off for the non-petro fuels or the tradeoff in their use is unacceptable.

    I personally have used alternatives for quite some time before I stopped driving. Started with propane, then went to SVO/WVO. Finally settled on B80 when it hit the Sun stations. But it's too much hassle for most folks and the state screwed the pooch heavily thinking they were helping with their own bio-diesel initiative. They started requiring that all diesel fuel sold in the state have a 5% bio-diesel component. Overnight it stripped the stocks of commercial bio-diesel and pegged the price upward. Thanks guys!

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    There is a lot of promise in switchgrass. A place near me has done a lot of research on it. It is just not clear the environmental/economic side of growing that much of it.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    There is a lot of promise in switchgrass. A place near me has done a lot of research on it. It is just not clear the environmental/economic side of growing that much of it.
    Algae is another promising source. I like it a bit better as it has the same oil content but it doesn't require tracts of land or fresh water to cultivate. It cleans brakish water and the leftovers are gold. Algae sugar - 100 sweeter than table sugar. The leftover biomass can be further processed to bio-jet fuel or fertilizer use.

    The cities using sewerage for a bio-diesel stock use bacteria to process. It's probably the most efficient and easy manufacture.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Algae is another promising source. I like it a bit better as it has the same oil content but it doesn't require tracts of land or fresh water to cultivate. It cleans brakish water and the leftovers are gold. Algae sugar - 100 sweeter than table sugar. The leftover biomass can be further processed to bio-jet fuel or fertilizer use.

    The cities using sewerage for a bio-diesel stock use bacteria to process. It's probably the most efficient and easy manufacture.
    Yeah they have done some research on that at the same place. I forget what concern they expressed toward it though I recall there was some--maybe the production rate. Switchgrass could create a lot of jobs as a bonus--it would be good use for old tobacco fields for instance that now largely lay fallow. Not sure algae would create the jobs though. I am sure they will come up with something eventually--it is just a matter of getting a mass produced standard product.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Main problem with algae is extracting the oil and separation from the sugars and other biomass. It hampers production in quantity.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    You are just re-inventing the electric motor (see post above regarding Nicola Tesla - he was spinning things with magnets almost two centuries ago).
    I'm not - I'm just "progressing" ideas or continuing existing ideas.

    My models and mechanics are advanced.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Algae is another promising source. I like it a bit better as it has the same oil content but it doesn't require tracts of land or fresh water to cultivate. It cleans brakish water and the leftovers are gold. Algae sugar - 100 sweeter than table sugar. The leftover biomass can be further processed to bio-jet fuel or fertilizer use.

    The cities using sewerage for a bio-diesel stock use bacteria to process. It's probably the most efficient and easy manufacture.
    During my eldest daughters days in grad school, she was working with bio-D and bio-lubes. The days of crop-based bio-D are limited - and in the case of the US exist mostly because of the idiotic farm direct cash subsidies. Algae had some promise, but bio-tech has moved on long past that stage already - as you point out to bacterium. They can be tailor made to produce the exact product desired, and do so without the risks of monoculture and the very costly need to perform recovery and separation from plant matter.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Perhaps I'll be proven wrong but I would bet very highly that bio-fuels will never be the next generation of transportation fuels. I highly suspect the answer comes in the form of progressively improving electric cars matched with more efficient, higher output, electrical grid that incorporates solar (especially if you can get solar satellites and microwave transmission), nuclear, natural, gas, coal, etc.

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