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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Enter the conspiracy theory.
    It has nothing to do with conspiracy, but with the ability to derive profit. Energy efficiency is not profitable for energy providers. This is simply a matter of fact.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    [QUOTE=Catawba;1061587216]If there are no subsidies, then they won't miss
    them when they are gone, will they?[/
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    Why shouldn't oil companies share the same tax brakes companies like Apple and Google share ?

    Because people like you have a displaced amount of irrational hatred over oil and the companies that produce it, crack it and sell it ?

    Oil is actually in demand, which is more than I can say for photovoltaic or wind energy.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Try again!

    If alternative energy provided short-term profitability, oil companies would be all over it by now. This a major motivation behind mothballing promising research.
    Oh pleese Kush.

    Its profitable for the government too.

    Whats the tax on a gallon of gas ?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oh pleese Kush.

    Its profitable for the government too.

    Whats the tax on a gallon of gas ?
    The government is not a for-profit entity. Try again.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Many new vehicles are now routing energy that would be lost back into the batteries. One example currently being utilized is the energy produced from braking. More research means more possibilities in that area.
    Tesla had some ideas and theories... Too bad he was thought of as a "crackpot" back in his day.

    Also, magnets/electromagnetics are another interesting solution..
    Last edited by Mr.Nick; 03-19-13 at 03:46 PM.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    A car in motion generates way more energy than what a basic car battery can hold. Why not have bigger batteries or multiple batteries to capture the extra juice? Not to mention you could put "pin wheels" on the inside of a cars grill that would spin via air creating even more energy.. The heat generated by an engine could also be used.

    I suppose my point is that a vehicle generates so much energy but the typical vehicle only recycles 10% of the energy it creates.

    One shouldn't have to plug their car into a wall outlet - that is just stupid and unnecessary.

    There is no such thing as "free energy" however in theory a car could recycle it's energy....
    To be precise, a car does not "generate" energy, it uses some and stores some. The energy it uses was "generated" in a solar furnace 93MM miles away. The energy to spin your pinwheels in the grille came from the energy stored in the fuel. Add the power generation of those pinwheels and their generator to the whole thing, and it costs you the extra drag from turning them, less the inefficiencies of the engine that burned the fuel (maybe 35% efficient) and the inefficiencies of the propeller and generator (probably no more than 40% efficient on a good day, so your energy saving device will cost you 1/(.35 x .4) or about 7 times what you "generated". Everything you incorporate into the car to try to recover some of the energy you can NOT avoid using (regenerative braking for instance) not only has inefficiencies in operation, but you now have to spend the money and the fuel to drag all of that stuff around until you need it. So the energy recovery potential is not that great.

    What really matters is that Americans by and larger don't give a flying purple frick about efficiency. You have been able to buy 50+ MPG diesel cars from VW almost continuously since 1978, and how many did you ever see on the road? Europeans - who DO care a BIT more about such things - have been able to buy 80+ mpg VW cars since 1995 (3 litre Lupo) and will soon be able to buy a nice, two seat commuter that gets about 270mpg overall. If it was for sale here, nobody but a few elderly hippies with big trust accounts would spend the bux to buy one. Instead we buiy SUVs and pickups to compete with each other for how much fuel we can waste.

    Of course, if you/me/we gave a damn about resource waste, we would simply stay home or ride public transport.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    The government is not a for-profit entity.
    Try again.
    LOL !!!

    What f***in difference does it make Kush ?

    You Want to make a liberal politician cry like a little girl take away their funding.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cannuck View Post
    To be precise, a car does not "generate" energy, it uses some and stores some. The energy it uses was "generated" in a solar furnace 93MM miles away. The energy to spin your pinwheels in the grille came from the energy stored in the fuel. Add the power generation of those pinwheels and their generator to the whole thing, and it costs you the extra drag from turning them, less the inefficiencies of the engine that burned the fuel (maybe 35% efficient) and the inefficiencies of the propeller and generator (probably no more than 40% efficient on a good day, so your energy saving device will cost you 1/(.35 x .4) or about 7 times what you "generated". Everything you incorporate into the car to try to recover some of the energy you can NOT avoid using (regenerative braking for instance) not only has inefficiencies in operation, but you now have to spend the money and the fuel to drag all of that stuff around until you need it. So the energy recovery potential is not that great.

    What really matters is that Americans by and larger don't give a flying purple frick about efficiency. You have been able to buy 50+ MPG diesel cars from VW almost continuously since 1978, and how many did you ever see on the road? Europeans - who DO care a BIT more about such things - have been able to buy 80+ mpg VW cars since 1995 (3 litre Lupo) and will soon be able to buy a nice, two seat commuter that gets about 270mpg overall. If it was for sale here, nobody but a few elderly hippies with big trust accounts would spend the bux to buy one. Instead we buiy SUVs and pickups to compete with each other for how much fuel we can waste.

    Of course, if you/me/we gave a damn about resource waste, we would simply stay home or ride public transport.
    A battery can only take so much of a charge and every ounce of energy after that goes to waste.

    I think oil is fine and I'm not on some environmental mission - I just think that it is highly stupid to waste perfectly good energy.

    The energy is there, we just need a viable system to use it - that or generate more.

    Honestly I'm more interested in magnets.... I've taken magnets and spun a fan with them - if I can do that then I can generate energy. All it really takes is correct positioning and polarity... The only reason why I would not call that "free energy" is the simple fact I had to use my energy to make it happen.

    I charged a battery just doing that but I used several small fans.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    What f***in difference does it make Kush ?
    It makes quite a bit of difference. Do you agree the motivations for maintaining a for(economic)-profit entity or a government are extremely different. You know, the whole thing about stakeholders being the proverbial shareholders of government and how this is in contrast to the firm....

    You Want to make a liberal politician cry like a little girl take away their funding.
    It is not a political thing. Take away a "conservatives" funding and they will cry like a girl. Which is all the more perplexing given the alternate definitions of conservatism.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Tesla had some ideas and theories... Too bad he was thought of as a "crackpot" back in his day.

    Also, magnets/electromagnetics are another interesting solution..

    Yep, all good reasons for further research.
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