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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We were talking about energy generation and we were also talking about oil use.
    Yeah about how electric cars could reduce our need of oil.



    You haven't shown any correlation between the two. The price of solar and wind have been reduced by increased subsidy, not a lessening of manufacturing cost.
    The price, without tax credits, has gone down on solar panels by 1/5 since I started pricing them 5 years ago. When I bought them last year they were only $1 per watt, all while the price of gasoline went up.



    Not "so many of us", a few of us. And what we generate is nowhere near our need. So the vast majority rely upon transmitted power from a distant location.
    The point is, that is changing as more people like myself install affordable onsite systems.


    First, that 49% is a little high, regardless, you're trading one shortage for another. Electric cars rely upon rare earth metals that internal combustion engines don't. Let's just take ONE of them - lithium. Are you of the impression that lithium is of unlimited supply or renewable?
    The 49% is from government statistics. With new research, we may find other more abundant materials that work better than lithium. That's the point of research.
    Affordable oil is finite as well and burning it for transportation is damaging the environment.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your docs don't show anything, except that the information was composed by someone who doesn't have a clue how the tax code works, nor a single iota about how businesses are run in this country. It's propaganda and nothing more. You should be embarressed that you actually used that info to support your argument.

    I'll tell you like I told Fenton, if there are no subsidies, then they won't miss them when they are gone, will they?
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If there are no subsidies, then they won't miss them when they are gone, will they?
    Are you seriously proposing ending the write off for capitol improvements and site construction from all businesses? Or are you intending to target just one?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Were you even alive then,
    yes. i was born in the mid 70s.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    you didn't even have a PC sitting on your desk back then.
    not until about 1982, when the school let me borrow a TRS80.

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    You people always seem to think you're smarter than everyone else. The idea of Lithium-ion was only in the lab at that point. Hydrogen fuel cells were only found on Apollo missions, care to find out how much they cost back then? There is nothing late here at all.
    i'm not arguing that the transition from oil could have been accomplished instantly. i'm saying that if we had started seriously addressing it back then, we'd probably have a different transportation energy model by now.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'll tell you like I told Fenton, if there are no subsidies, then they won't miss them when they are gone, will they?
    Can you possibly imagine how redundant that statement is? This is what your argument has been reduced to?
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Are you seriously proposing ending the write off for capitol improvements and site construction from all businesses? Or are you intending to target just one?
    Catawba wants to use the Constitution for toilet paper and screw the oil companies for political reasons.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yes. i was born in the mid 70s.



    not until about 1982, when the school let me borrow a TRS80.



    i'm not arguing that the transition from oil could have been accomplished instantly. i'm saying that if we had started seriously addressing it back then, we'd probably have a different transportation energy model by now.
    If it was viable, it would have happened.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If it was viable, it would have happened.
    we've already covered this.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah about how electric cars could reduce our need of oil.
    And increase our need for other far more limited supply non-renewables. TANSTAAFL.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The price, without tax credits, has gone down on solar panels by 1/5 since I started pricing them 5 years ago. When I bought them last year they were only $1 per watt, all while the price of gasoline went up.
    As have the subsidies on them also increased. Again the lower cost to you is not due to lower manufacturing costs but a higher government subsidy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The point is, that is changing as more people like myself install affordable onsite systems.
    Miniscule effect due to the weaknesses I have mentioned in our electrical system (transmission and storage).

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The 49% is from government statistics. With new research, we may find other more abundant materials that work better than lithium. That's the point of research.
    Affordable oil is finite as well and burning it for transportation is damaging the environment.
    Actually, government figures I've see range from 42-47%, but that's just a quibble. No matter, you're still trading in real time today a shrinking non-renewable resource with a non-renewable resource that is in vastly smaller supply.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we've already covered this.
    I know we have, which makes me wonder why you keep harping, "if only we had been working on it years ago, we wouldn't be using petro-fuels anymore".

    If alternative energy worked, the oil companies would be all over it by now.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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