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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Thats some sales pitch.

    Sry Helix, when ever I hear a Liberal Democrat politician tell me something like that I expect to get ripped off.

    Like I said if the Democrat Party hadn't hijacked renewable enrgy and had left it up to the private sector we would have a legitimate shot at creating something clean and renewable.

    Photo volataic isn't clean or renewable, and wind is just dumb.
    i'm fairly interested in thorium nuclear, and there is a ton of energy in the ocean going completely untapped. i also like wind energy. they just built a massive wind farm outside my town, and it's pretty stunning.

    with the right planning and policies, though, i think we'll see some new tech that's barely on the radar right now.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Answer the question. How are we supposed to then live in a system based on laws, if everyone ignores the laws? What should I do when the govt tries to do something the law says its cant?
    We're not, but that has nothing to do with the Constitution, does it? We can pass laws and hold people accountable to those laws entirely without the Constitution, nations have been doing that since the dawn of human civilization.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one is claiming it is. ???
    We were talking about energy generation and we were also talking about oil use.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is contrary to the reality of the cost of solar and wind technology going down as the price of oil goes up.
    You haven't shown any correlation between the two. The price of solar and wind have been reduced by increased subsidy, not a lessening of manufacturing cost.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree onsite systems are the most efficient, its why so many of us now have onsite systems to reduce our need for grid power.
    Not "so many of us", a few of us. And what we generate is nowhere near our need. So the vast majority rely upon transmitted power from a distant location.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What "woe" are you talking about? The majority of commuters do not use buses and trains, they use cars, the majority of which could be electric cars that do not use an oil product for energy. 49% of oil use in the US is gasoline.
    First, that 49% is a little high, regardless, you're trading one shortage for another. Electric cars rely upon rare earth metals that internal combustion engines don't. Let's just take ONE of them - lithium. Are you of the impression that lithium is of unlimited supply or renewable?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm fairly interested in thorium nuclear, and
    there is a ton of energy in the ocean
    going completely untapped. i also like wind energy. they just built a massive wind farm outside my town, and it's pretty stunning.

    with the right planning and policies, though, i think we'll see some new tech that's barely on the radar right now.
    I'm not completly against alternative energies but they have to work.

    Ive been a technophile since I was a kid and love to see innovation, but true innovation is developed from true demand and right now very little demand exist.

    Wind farms and solar on a large scale are very cost prohibitive and are not "clean".

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you even know what a subsidy is?

    Look, welcome to the real world...OIL COMPANIES AND DRILLING CONTRACTORS GET THE SAME TAX DEDUCTIONS THAT ANY OTHER BUSINESS IN THE UNITED STATES GETS!



    Just like any other business can write off the cost of rented equipment. What part of this don't you understand? And, as far as I know, any other company can write off 100% of the cost of rented equipment, which means the oil companies are getting screwed out of 30%.

    If I'm a hotdog vendor and I rent my hotdog cart, can you guess what I'm going to do? That's right, I'm going to deduct the cost of renting the hotdog cart.

    Stop with the propaganda, because no matter how many times you say it, it still won't be true.

    What I've documented shows it is not the same as every business gets.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And you think that the preamble is legal permission for the govt to fund energy research?

    Its always been sufficient in the past.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What I've documented shows it is not the same as every business gets.
    Actually what you've documented is precisely the "subsidy" (a mischaracterization of the write off to begin with) many if not all businesses have available.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There are NO subsidies, unless you can show me the line item in the budget that shows all of the checks getting cut to BIG OIL.

    Otherwise, thry get the same "subsidies" as Apple gets.

    I don't think Apple needs help anymore, do you ?


    If there are no subsidies, then they won't miss them when they are gone, will they?
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I support it. we should have done this and more in the mid 1970s. better late than never.
    Were you even alive then, you didn't even have a PC sitting on your desk back then. You people always seem to think you're smarter than everyone else. The idea of Lithium-ion was only in the lab at that point. Hydrogen fuel cells were only found on Apollo missions, care to find out how much they cost back then? There is nothing late here at all.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What I've documented shows it is not the same as every business gets.
    Your docs don't show anything, except that the information was composed by someone who doesn't have a clue how the tax code works, nor a single iota about how businesses are run in this country. It's propaganda and nothing more. You should be embarressed that you actually used that info to support your argument.
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