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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Worse yet, the technologies that generally get pushed, like electric cars, are more polluting, more expensive and less efficient than the vehicles we already have. These people are morons. Come up with something that improves on the current model, then come ask for government funding.
    Uhh dude... how do you expect any of that to change without research?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Uhh dude... how do you expect any of that to change without research?
    Research doesn't come out of a wallet, they actually have to have an IDEA first. Most of the companies sucking on the government teat are just playing with the same old, tired, unworkable electric or hybrid vehicle ideas that we've wasted billions on already and are not closer to replacing gas-powered vehicles than they were decades ago.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Research doesn't come out of a wallet, they actually have to have an IDEA first. Most of the companies sucking on the government teat are just playing with the same old, tired, unworkable electric or hybrid vehicle ideas that we've wasted billions on already and are not closer to replacing gas-powered vehicles than they were decades ago.

    Ideas first, funding later.
    ... you have fundamental misunderstandings about how research works in... well, anything ever.

    People had an idea about making a plane not show up on radar. It took a lot of time, effort, experimentation, and money to figure out how to do it in a flyable, combat-capable fashion. Nobody walked into the Pentagon with a full schematic of an F-117 before they got funding.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    We've already done the research and paid for it many times over. The alternatives have been available for decades. My uncles have been running their vehicles on clean, cheap, available propane since the 60s. When I first moved to Oregon after the service they had cool little all-electric cars on sale at the battery Exchange for 2K. And damn but one of my favorite cars was a Honda 600 - 50 mpg.
    Making them easily accessible, affordable, and mass produced would be another step.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ... you have fundamental misunderstandings about how research works in... well, anything ever.

    People had an idea about making a plane not show up on radar. It took a lot of time, effort, experimentation, and money to figure out how to do it in a flyable, combat-capable fashion. Nobody walked into the Pentagon with a full schematic of an F-117 before they got funding.
    Nor did anyone ask for that. What I said was come up with a CONCEPT before you start asking for money. I've yet to hear of anyone develop a new concept for a non-gas-powered vehicle that isn't just a tired new design for the utterly failed electric powered car.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nor did anyone ask for that. What I said was come up with a CONCEPT before you start asking for money. I've yet to hear of anyone develop a new concept for a non-gas-powered vehicle that isn't just a tired new design for the utterly failed electric powered car.
    ... you really haven't heard about the various concepts for advanced battery design?

    All I can suggest is subscribing to some tech magazines or something.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    If he get's the money for this, it's the Congress fault.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    I want research done on how to wean America off of Obama.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    ... you really haven't heard about the various concepts for advanced battery design?

    All I can suggest is subscribing to some tech magazines or something.
    Let us know when they come up with a battery design that doesn't pollute the planet as much as the gas-powered vehicles they're currently whining about.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Let us know when they come up with a battery design that doesn't pollute the planet as much as the gas-powered vehicles they're currently whining about.
    Electric is not the only option out there, or the only option being researched. They are right, what you don't know about the world and how things works is pretty large, and it is made worse through the misinformation you are getting. research is one of the ways new ideas get developed. They are correct no one just comes up with a fully formed idea right off the bat. Especially when you are talking about something like a car. The only thing you are proving is that the uneducated and ignorant should have no place in deciding the direction of things. They cannot make a proper decision with no information or the wrong information. Not to mention being way to easily manipulated.

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