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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    I don't see why Obama isn't leading by example if he's so convinced of the viability of electric and hybrid vehicles. Why doesn't he issue an executive order mandating all federal government vehicles purchased must be electric or hybrids, thus making them more viable for the automakers. As well, why doesn't he trade in all those big, flashy, multi-ton SUVs and get a fleet of armored Prius's to tool around town in.

    Obama is great at preaching, telling others what they should or shouldn't do, but the fool never leads by example.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    In theory. In practice, not so much. We don't live in a dream world, sorry.
    What do you suggest then? Just do whatever you want?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't see why Obama isn't leading by example if he's so convinced of the viability of electric and hybrid vehicles. Why doesn't he issue an executive order mandating all federal government vehicles purchased must be electric or hybrids, thus making them more viable for the automakers. As well, why doesn't he trade in all those big, flashy, multi-ton SUVs and get a fleet of armored Prius's to tool around town in.

    Obama is great at preaching, telling others what they should or shouldn't do, but the fool never leads by example.
    Dude: you want to check out the fuel bill when Air Force One takes the whole circus sideshow on the road. OR when the Comander-in-chief gets his jollies by invading and occupying a sovereign state for 10 years or so.

    No iteration of the Uniparty has a green page anywhere in their playbook.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    What do you suggest then? Just do whatever you want?
    I'm saying that in theory, that's how it's supposed to work, but in practice, it's just not. There are inherent problems when you have a document written nearly 250 years ago and the ideal that it's supposed to direct how the government works. It just doesn't work that way.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    The idea that government can help things along with technology is valid, but at some point the private sector HAS to take the lead and move forward with it. Right now, it would be really great to wean ourselves off oil, but it is obvious at this point that the private sector doesn't have any more incentive to do anything more than they are now. It's time for government to take a back seat and let the idea fail or succeed on it's own.

    If it's a good idea, the help the government has already provided should propel it forward enough. If it's not, it will fail. It's now for the private sector to decide that fate.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't see why Obama isn't leading by example if he's so convinced of the viability of electric and hybrid vehicles. Why doesn't he issue an executive order mandating all federal government vehicles purchased must be electric or hybrids, thus making them more viable for the automakers. As well, why doesn't he trade in all those big, flashy, multi-ton SUVs and get a fleet of armored Prius's to tool around town in.

    Obama is great at preaching, telling others what they should or shouldn't do, but the fool never leads by example.

    ... a little research to check your facts before you post is never a bad idea. It minimizes the prospect of looking foolish.

    President Obama Orders Federal Agencies to Buy Green Vehicles by 2015 | Geekosystem

    AFP: Obama orders US agencies to buy green vehicles

    Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Is The Government’s Green Car Of Choice | The Truth About Cars

    U S Government Cuts Fuel Expenses Using Green Vehicles

    The last article stating that the US government is the world's largest buyer of green vehicles.

    Now, it might be fair game to challenge the effectiveness and wisdom of the move, but its ignorance to suggest no such move was made.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm saying that in theory, that's how it's supposed to work, but in practice, it's just not. There are inherent problems when you have a document written nearly 250 years ago and the ideal that it's supposed to direct how the government works. It just doesn't work that way.
    Answer the question. How are we supposed to then live in a system based on laws, if everyone ignores the laws? What should I do when the govt tries to do something the law says its cant?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ... a little research to check your facts before you post is never a bad idea. It minimizes the prospect of looking foolish.

    President Obama Orders Federal Agencies to Buy Green Vehicles by 2015 | Geekosystem

    AFP: Obama orders US agencies to buy green vehicles

    Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Is The Government’s Green Car Of Choice | The Truth About Cars

    U S Government Cuts Fuel Expenses Using Green Vehicles

    The last article stating that the US government is the world's largest buyer of green vehicles.

    Now, it might be fair game to challenge the effectiveness and wisdom of the move, but its ignorance to suggest no such move was made.
    Fair enough - but why wait until 2015? Why did GM have to shut down production of the Chevy Volt if the US government is buying so many green vehicles and the US government is a principal shareholder of GM stock?

    The last article states that the US government purchases 60,000 vehicles a year, as of 2011 and the second last article states that the US government purchased 1,800 green vehicles in 2012. Purchasing green vehicles at the rate of about 3% of the annual fleet purchases does not sound to me like a great commitment to weaning the government off oil onto green vehicles. It sounds to me like good political window dressing to say you're acting but not a commitment to put your money where your mouth is.

    BTW, I don't feel foolish at all pointing out the hypocrisy of this President.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    finite resources are finite. the time to prepare is now.
    Thats some sales pitch.

    Sry Helix, when ever I hear a Liberal Democrat politician tell me something like that I expect to get ripped off.

    Like I said if the Democrat Party hadn't hijacked renewable enrgy and had left it up to the private sector we would have a legitimate shot at creating something clean and renewable.

    Photo volataic isn't clean or renewable, and wind is just dumb.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Here's a look at the history of subsidies for
    oil exploration in the United States.

    Origins

    The Congressional Research Service states the fledgling oil industry in the United States first received government assistance in 1916. That was when intangible drilling costs were able to be fully deducted from a company's expenses for tax purposes. In 1926, a write-off for cost depletion was introduced. That provision allowed oil companies to deduct costs based upon overall gross receipts and not just the actual value of the oil.

    Both of those subsidies still exist. The Obama administration claims the average subsidy for huge oil companies is $4 billion per year. The bill in the Senate would have saved $24 billion in 10 years. The White House claims when gas goes up one cent per gallon, oil companies make $200 million more per month.

    Statistics

    The American Chemical Society cites a report by Double Bottom Line Venture Capital that explains how the oil industry has reaped benefits from subsidies. From 1918 to 2009, the average annual subsidy was $4.86 billion. By comparison, the nuclear energy industry gets around $3.5 billion per year.

    When the study adjusted for inflation to 2009 dollars, the oil and gas industry received subsidies amounting to $1.8 billion per year in the first 15 years of the fledgling industry. The American Coalition for Ethanol estimates that when combined with state and local government aid to large oil companies, subsidies amount to anywhere from $133.8 billion to $280.8 billion annually from all sources of taxpayer aid that goes to the oil and gas industry.

    Current Status

    The Obama administration contends the oil industry no longer needs help. The three largest oil companies made $80 billion in profits combined in 2011, which amounts to $200 million per day. The White House also asserts America uses 20 percent of the world's oil but only has two percent of the world's oil reserves. Oil drilling continues in all areas of the United States and oil rigs are plentiful in the Gulf of Mexico, the White House blog states.

    The New York Times had an article dated July 3, 2010, in the middle of the Gulf oil spill. Deepwater Horizon rented the sunken rig to BP. The company used an oil industry subsidy to write off 70 percent of the cost of the rent for the rig which amounted to a deduction of $225,000 per day. "

    History of U.S. Oil Subsidies Go Back Nearly a Century
    There are NO subsidies, unless you can show me the line item in the budget that shows all of the checks getting cut to BIG OIL.

    Otherwise, thry get the same "subsidies" as Apple gets.

    I don't think Apple needs help anymore, do you ?

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