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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Certainly, but again, fuel oil for large electricity generation is not common in most places (maybe some places in Alaska).
    No one is claiming it is. ???


    As the price of oil rises so does the price of those alternatives. Care to guess what their parts and components are made using? That's right, oil (and a whole bunch of other finite supply rare earth materials).
    That is contrary to the reality of the cost of solar and wind technology going down as the price of oil goes up.

    The only thing that would make the alternatives a replacement for carbon (coal, not oil, in this case) are significant improvements in the two weak sisters of our eletrical systems - transmission (we lose 47% of the electricity we generate in the transmission) and storage.

    I agree onsite systems are the most efficient, its why so many of us now have onsite systems to reduce our need for grid power.



    Trading one woe for others. You're not saving oil in the generation here, but in the fuel where an electric car replaced a petro-based fuel car. We already try that with buses and commuter trains. Only solves a small part of the problem as you can see.
    What "woe" are you talking about? The majority of commuters do not use buses and trains, they use cars, the majority of which could be electric cars that do not use an oil product for energy. 49% of oil use in the US is gasoline.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    So back to the topic, where in the constitution does the federal govt have the power to spend money on researching energy production?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    So back to the topic, where in the constitution does the federal govt have the power to spend money on researching energy production?
    When it is in the national interest, just as it has been throughout our history.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    When it is in the national interest, just as it has been throughout our history.
    Where is that in the constitution?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Where is that in the constitution?
    Its in the goals of the Constitution, the Preamble:

    “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I support it. we should have done this and more in the mid 1970s. better late than never.
    No, "we" shouldn't have. We should let the market arise out of a sincere need for the product, and not waste another tax payers dime on "green energy".


    There are already better ways to push a car across a city, hydrogen fuel cell for one, but it's being completely ignored .

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, "we" shouldn't have. We should let the market arise out of a sincere need for the product, and not waste another tax payers dime on "green energy".
    energy is a national security issue that shouldn't be left solely to the market. the market should play a role, though. i envision public / private partnerships to innovate multiple solutions, and then the market picks the winners.

    and yes, we should have done this decades ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There are already better ways to push a car across a city, hydrogen fuel cell for one, but it's being completely ignored .
    i'm open to most workable solutions.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    energy is a national security issue that shouldn't
    be left solely to the market. the market should play a role, though. i envision public / private partnerships to innovate multiple solutions, and then the market picks the winners.

    and yes, we should have done this decades ago.



    i'm open to most workable solutions.
    How many times do we have to push a tech thats not practicle by paying for it with our own tax dollars ?

    What makes the Govt think they can force the marketabillity of a product just by dumping billions of dollars into it's manufacture.

    It's counterintuitive and has already cost us billions.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    How many times do we have to push a tech thats not practicle by paying for it with our own tax dollars ?

    What makes the Govt think they can force the marketabillity of a product just by dumping billions of dollars into it's manufacture.

    It's counterintuitive and has already cost us billions.
    I addressed this in my previous response.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I addressed this in my previous response.
    I read it, and since we're not by any reasonable claim in a crisis situtation in regards to energy production, especially with success of fracking, why on earth would anyone call for a Govt intrusion into a market that doesn't exist yet ?

    The worst thing to happen to green energy was that it was politicized by a ideology that doesn't regard honesty as a character trait of any value.

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