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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    No, the technology which lead to the internet was developed in the 60s. Telenet was commercially viable in 1974 was was quite widely used from its inception.

    And we aren't going to get into a debate about nuclear because like you said, it would be quite an argument. All I will say is this, renewable energy sources receive 5 times more dollars per kilowatt hours generated in subsidies then nuclear does.

    Which Energy Source Receives the Largest Subsidy? | Clearing the Air | NCPA.org
    Agreed, but telnet becoming commercially available was as a result of private capitol investment, not government investment. That was my point. Though the DARPANET was initially used to inspire and transport, the internet would have been very confined if it used that system and was almost immediately switched to using the private phone system infrastructure.

    Handy chart, thanks. Shows what we've long known - the only commercially viable alternative to oil at present is hydro. The rest are orders more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It does when you take into consideration that all this R&D isn't going to be free. The money has to come from someplace. What happens when alternative energy is never profitable and the government runs out of money to pay for it? Profitability will mean everything, at that point.
    How expensive do you think gasoline would be if the Federal government stopped subsidizing oil companies to the tune of $15.6 billion per year?

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    Neither has alternative energy.
    Just close to nothing.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    How expensive do you think gasoline would be if the Federal government stopped subsidizing oil companies to the tune of $15.6 billion per year?
    Maybe a couple pennies more. Now put the shoe on the other foot, how expensive do you think wind and solar power would be if the government stopped subsidizing it?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    How expensive do you think gasoline would be if the Federal government stopped subsidizing oil companies to the tune of $15.6 billion per year?
    How much of that $15.6 billion a year is recovered in taxes at the pump?

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Maybe a couple pennies more. Now put the shoe on the other foot, how expensive do you think wind and solar power would be if the government stopped subsidizing it?
    Why would/should the government stop subsidizing it? It still subsidizes coal and natural gas even though they are supposedly cheaper. The "cheap" cost of fossil fuels is only comparatively inexpensive because the government makes it so. It would be no different for alternative energy.

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    How expensive do you think gasoline would be if the Federal government stopped subsidizing oil companies to the tune of $15.6 billion per year?
    Shouldn't matter, since--according to all the libbis--supply and demand doesn't appky to gas prices.
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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Why would/should the government stop subsidizing it? It still subsidizes coal and natural gas even though they are supposedly cheaper. The "cheap" cost of fossil fuels is only comparatively inexpensive because the government makes it so. It would be no different for alternative energy.
    That is absolutely false. Per kilowatt-hour, natural gas, coal, oil, and nuclear receive under 20% of the subsidies as alternative energy sources. Maybe you should get some facts.

    http://environmentblog.ncpa.org/whic...rgest-subsidy/

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    Re: Obama Wants Research to Wean Vehicles off Oil.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Why would/should the government stop subsidizing it? It still subsidizes coal and natural gas even though they are supposedly cheaper. The "cheap" cost of fossil fuels is only comparatively inexpensive because the government makes it so. It would be no different for alternative energy.
    Is our government controlling the world's fossil fuel markets? I'm not sure I could or would agree with your premise...
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