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    U.S. drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty: U.N.[W:15]

    (Reuters) - The United States has violated Pakistan's sovereignty and shattered tribal structures with unmanned drone strikes in its counterterrorism operations near the Afghan border, a U.N. human rights investigator said in a statement on Friday.

    U.N. special rapporteur on human rights and counterterrorism, Ben Emmerson, visited Pakistan for three days this week as part of his investigation into the civilian impact of the use of drones and other forms of targeted killings.

    "As a matter of international law, the U.S. drone campaign in Pakistan is ... being conducted without the consent of the elected representatives of the people, or the legitimate Government of the State," Emmerson said in a statement issued by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights in Geneva.

    "It involves the use of force on the territory of another state without its consent and is therefore a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty," he said.

    Emmerson said in January he would investigate 25 drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan and the Palestinian territories. He is expected to present his final report to the U.N. General Assembly in October.

    Washington had little to say about Emmerson's statement.

    "We've seen his press release. I'm obviously not going to speak about classified information here," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said. "We have a strong ongoing counterterrorism dialogue with Pakistan and that will continue."

    Spokesman Josh Earnest said the White House would withhold judgment until it sees Emmerson's full report.

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    It looks like the Pakistan drone strikes may be ending soon. Between this and the public opinion in Pakistan, I don't see them continuing. What ramifications do you think this will have on our drone use?

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    Hopefully it ends it without a declaration of war.
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    re: U.S. drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty: U.N.[W:15]

    I've always found the view that attacks from the air somehow are exempting for otherwise rules of conduct facinating accepted hypocrisy. If a county were to send a team in to toss a bomb at passing cars, that's terrorism. But if those cars are blow up by aircraft, then any innocents are just "unfortunately colllateral damage." If we sent sniper teams within other countries, that would be severely criticized as acts of war. But if we send in a flying assassination robot it's ok.

    Every drone attack within another country is an act of war for which the president has never received the required declaration of war from Congress first. They are all illegal acts of war by the President. Whether they are a good thing or not in terms of national defense is a different question. They are Constitutionally illegal.

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    re: U.S. drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty: U.N.[W:15]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I've always found the view that attacks from the air somehow are exempting for otherwise rules of conduct facinating accepted hypocrisy. If a county were to send a team in to toss a bomb at passing cars, that's terrorism. But if those cars are blow up by aircraft, then any innocents are just "unfortunately colllateral damage." If we sent sniper teams within other countries, that would be severely criticized as acts of war. But if we send in a flying assassination robot it's ok.

    Every drone attack within another country is an act of war for which the president has never received the required declaration of war from Congress first. They are all illegal acts of war by the President. Whether they are a good thing or not in terms of national defense is a different question. They are Constitutionally illegal.
    I agree, get a declaration of war or else knock it off!!

    If any country tried it on us they'd be bombed to the

    stone age immediately!

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    re: U.S. drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty: U.N.[W:15]

    I also agree. Drones are aircraft and the are no different than other aircraft except that the pilot is not on board. They are covered by aviation laws and regulations like any other aircraft. For some reason, our government (and, it seems, everyone else) doesn't understand that. Killing someone with an unmanned drone is exactly the same as killing them with a fancy new F35 fighter plane. It is an aircraft killing someone and that is not OK except in war. As far as I know we are not at war with Pakistan.

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    re: U.S. drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty: U.N.[W:15]

    I'm normally against US imperialism and our international drone attacks, but **** Pakistan, and their ****ing sovereignty. Not only did they turn a blind eye to the massive insurgent base staging attacks on US forces out of Pakistan, they actively supported it.
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    re: U.S. drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty: U.N.[W:15]

    What does that US foreign aid to Pakistan buy, other than permission to zap terrorists inside their "tribal regions"?
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    re: U.S. drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty: U.N.[W:15]

    If Pakistan declared war on the US they would be obliterated due to the US cutting aid to them and having a superior military coupled with the fact that India would most likely join the fray and support us as an ally and also out of the fact that India and Pakistan have very tense relations.
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    re: U.S. drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty: U.N.[W:15]

    I think this might actually be a topic you can get the far right and the far left to agreee on!! lol. It should really say something to the President, that the country as a whole thinks his entire drone policy is wack. Maybe we can start to bring the two sides back together, with this issue.
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    re: U.S. drone strikes violate Pakistan's sovereignty: U.N.[W:15]

    I think if paul ryan actually used this real reason to go against drone strikes i would have been behind him. it needs to end, and And just because we are not5 fully invading the other sovereign nation to remove their power structure does not mean we are not committing acts of war. We got rid of the really crappy excuse to go into Pakistan without declaring war, and now it is time to go home. But, since obam,a seems to take a very republican view of middle east war, there is only a small hope for that. really, what is the UN going to do, whine at us? besides, we paid for the flights anyway with foreign aid. Seriously, what did their leader think we were paying for? Still, we should be done with drone strikes in their land and over any other sovereign nation. I am sure we can find better and cheaper ways to assassinate people.

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