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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps - but I believe he's a Catholic so you can have the Catholic principle of "love the sinner, hate the sin" and not change your core view. If my son robs a bank, I'm still going to love my son but not suddenly think robbing a bank is okay. I know that's a poor analogy, so people, keep the hate to yourselves, I'm just making the point that you don't want people who lead to be making decisions that affect the entire population based on personal or family needs.
    But you're doing nothing but making a big assumption. He MAY'VE changed his view based on family needs OR a change in the situation in his life forced his mind to reevaluate the entire idea and notion which ended with a different view point.

    I also love the sanctimony on this thread, as if everyone here hasn't had some moment in their life where something happened to you or people around you and that caused you to reevaluate some view/thought/action/idea/etc. Bitching about that is bitching about the human experience and how people function. New experiences present new information and cause the brain to look at whatever is before them in a different way and react to it going forward using that new information.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Using your logic NO state would ever have that. However you are incorrect as gay marriage has been voted in other states.

    Again small steps. California anti-SSM proponents had huge influxes of money from Utah.

    Besides a simple SCOTUS ruling invalidates all you say.

    So you're trying to suggest that voters in one of the most liberal states in the United States can be bought off by people in Utah?

    If that's true, California is in worse shape than it appears. However, it may explain how it got in the shape it is.

    Of course, the SCOTUS didn't invalidate anything I wrote. It may invalidate the results, but it can't invalidate the votes.

    Try to keep it real.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    But you're doing nothing but making a big assumption. He MAY'VE changed his view based on family needs OR a change in the situation in his life forced his mind to reevaluate the entire idea and notion which ended with a different view point.

    I also love the sanctimony on this thread, as if everyone here hasn't had some moment in their life where something happened to you or people around you and that caused you to reevaluate some view/thought/action/idea/etc. Bitching about that is bitching about the human experience and how people function. New experiences present new information and cause the brain to look at whatever is before them in a different way and react to it going forward using that new information.

    eh? The dude endorsed legislation banning it, essentially, but as soon as junior likes packing some fudge his story and opinion suddenly changes? Doubtful at absolute best. i'm guessing this guy is pre-empting some smushed turds in his own closet or has some kind of political aspirations.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Marriage is not a federal institution. It use to be wholly a church institution until the mid 1800's when states first started to keep records of marriages. Up till that point marriages and most deaths records were kept by the churches. My bottom line is government shouldn't have a say of who can or can't be married.
    No. Your point was that states should get to define, as as history has show, that's a TERRIBLE idea.
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I heard the interview and I have to say irrespective of his decision to now support gay marriage, Mr. Portman proved himself unfit to be President or Vice-President for the way he made his decision. He claimed that his change in view is based on his son being gay and wanting his son to have the ability to marry whom he wants. That's fine, but you don't make a decision on principles based on an emotional reaction to your child's needs or wants. Make the decision because you believe all people, regardless of sexual orientation, should have the same rights, not because you want something special for your son.
    Unfortunately humans are emotional creatures, not machines that operate soley on logic and have no emotion or feelings of empathy.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Good for him.. I bet adults children coming out makes many people rethink their views on this issue now these days.


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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    So explain why Georgia recognizes a marriage that takes place in Thailand and not one from Iowa? The marriage was even in Thai, not English. So Iowa can also choose not to recognize a Georgia's drivers licence, is that what you are saying.
    ... Can you back this up with a source?
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. Your point was that states should get to define, as as history has show, that's a TERRIBLE idea.
    Sure, if some states want to recognize gay marriage, fine by me. If mine doesn't, that too is fine. The constitution does not give the power to the federal government to determine who can or who can't be married. Hence if DOMA ever got to the SCOTUS, I would expect it to be knocked down. In section 10 of Article one, determining who can or who can't be married is not one of the no no's of the state. So we move on the the tenth amendment which that power lies with the state or the people, not the federal government.

    But if you read Article IV section 1 and 2, it seems to say since marriage is a public record, that all states must recognize other states marriages.

    Time will tell.
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Sure, if some states want to recognize gay marriage, fine by me. If mine doesn't, that too is fine. The constitution does not give the power to the federal government to determine who can or who can't be married. Hence if DOMA ever got to the SCOTUS, I would expect it to be knocked down. In section 10 of Article one, determining who can or who can't be married is not one of the no no's of the state. So we move on the the tenth amendment which that power lies with the state or the people, not the federal government.

    But if you read Article IV section 1 and 2, it seems to say since marriage is a public record, that all states must recognize other states marriages.
    And I've stated twice now why that is a terrible idea. States within a federal body shouldn't get to decide who is married and who isn't. It should be a standard law for all living under the same political entity.
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And I've stated twice now why that is a terrible idea. States within a federal body shouldn't get to decide who is married and who isn't. It should be a standard law for all living under the same political entity.
    The several states or a single state is a political entity although a lot of people want to do away with the states and have only the fed.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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