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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sometimes until someone experiences something for themselves, they don't change. That change, even though it happens because of some event, doesn't nullify the person's change nor make it tainted.
    I disagree but OK.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I disagree but OK.
    Fair enough

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Digsbe said it best in a similar thread. I just would have respected him more if he came out with a change of position BEFORE it involved his son.
    I would have more respect too, but I'm glad he is standing by his son, in public, rather than keeping it private and still working against SSM. I'm also aware that he might have some sway with other Republican/conservatives. That could be very valuable to the movement.

    To me, SSM and staying out of peoples' bedrooms should have been the Republican/conservative position all along. Support stable families and privacy. Period.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think that goes without saying. Gay marriage is illegal in my home state of Georgia, but legal in Iowa. If a gay couple travels to Iowa to get married and brings back the marriage certificate, both the federal government and the state of Georgia must recognize that certificate the same as any heterosexual marriage certificate from another state. Failure to do so would bring in Section 1 and 2 of Article IV of the constitution.
    Per section 1:
    Once you are legally living in Georgia, however, you are no longer a part of Iowa, hence the certificate would be invalid.

    Per section 2:
    This would require Iowa to tailor their marriage licenses so that they cannot be used and are invalid outside of Iowa. specifically in states that prohibit such marriages. Iowa must respect other states laws.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Since the constitution does not give the federal government the power to determine who can or can't be married, I am perfectly happy to let the states decide this issue. If some states want to recognize gay marriages and some don't, that is the states right. I don't have a problem with it.
    States should not get to recognize who can and can't get married. What is Mississippi decides that blacks and whites shouldn't marry? Yeah. No thanks. It's a federal institution for a good reason.
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Per section 1:
    Once you are legally living in Georgia, however, you are no longer a part of Iowa, hence the certificate would be invalid.

    Per section 2:
    This would require Ioqa to tailor their marriage licenses so that they cannot be used and are invalid outside of Iowa. Iowa must respect other states laws.

    Section 1 states: Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records and judicial proceedings of every other state.

    To me this means if Georgia is going to recognize all other states marriage licenses, it must recognize IOWA’s. Now I am no lawyer, so I may be screwed up here. It is like all 50 states recognize each states driver’s licenses. Heck, Georgia even recognized my marriage license or certificate and we were married in Thailand.

    Per section 2:
    This would require Ioqa to tailor their marriage licenses so that they cannot be used and are invalid outside of Iowa. Iowa must respect other states laws.

    As far as I know, Georgia has no law against gay marriage, they just do it. Notice I said as far as I know as I hadn’t heard any uproar coming out of Atlanta one way or the other.
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    States should not get to recognize who can and can't get married. What is Mississippi decides that blacks and whites shouldn't marry? Yeah. No thanks. It's a federal institution for a good reason.
    Marriage is not a federal institution. It use to be wholly a church institution until the mid 1800's when states first started to keep records of marriages. Up till that point marriages and most deaths records were kept by the churches. My bottom line is government shouldn't have a say of who can or can't be married.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I have to disagree Hatuey. As a man with his standing in the party, he could have a very positive influence on others to change their minds and he should be welcomed into the SSM movement.

    I would have liked to see him change his mind before, but it is what it is and as I said to Vance already, it's good he's standing by his son in public, rather than maintaining that voting record you posted. I hope he will become an advocate beyond this day. The tale will be told there as to how much meaning this change of heart has for him. Will he embrace it, or let the news cycle digest it and be done? Let's hope he continues to speak out.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Section 1 states: Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records and judicial proceedings of every other state.

    To me this means if Georgia is going to recognize all other states marriage licenses, it must recognize IOWA’s. Now I am no lawyer, so I may be screwed up here. It is like all 50 states recognize each states driver’s licenses. Heck, Georgia even recognized my marriage license or certificate and we were married in Thailand.
    Ya, you are "screwed up here". You don't seem to realize that legally living in another state makes you a citizen of THAT state, not your old state.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    As far as I know, Georgia has no law against gay marriage, they just do it. Notice I said as far as I know as I hadn’t heard any uproar coming out of Atlanta one way or the other.
    Iowa must tailor its laws with the understanding that other states are different. It's pretty simple. If not, Iowa would be the one in violation.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Ya, you are "screwed up here". You don't seem to realize that legally living in another state makes you a citizen of THAT state, not your old state.



    Iowa must tailor its laws with the understanding that other states are different. It's pretty simple. If not, Iowa would be the one in violation.
    So explain why Georgia recognizes a marriage that takes place in Thailand and not one from Iowa? The marriage was even in Thai, not English. So Iowa can also choose not to recognize a Georgia's drivers licence, is that what you are saying.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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