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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Small steps. Nothing, outside of extreme force, usually comes quickly. The more and more the GOP comes around to recognizing that SSM should happen, the more likely SSM being legalized will become.
    I don't think it's a GOP issue. That is where the issue falls on it's face. If voters in extremely liberal California can pass a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage, the GOP excuse is clearly misguided.

    It's an awesome talking point to rally the faithful, but it has no basis in reality.

    Pushing for state recognition achieves nothing. It's the Fed's who must extend the benefits already granted to heterosexual couples. Lose the "must call it marriage" demand, and it likely passes without much delay. People seem quite firm about maintaining the traditional definition of the word "marriage".

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

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    Vance, his reversal on SSM is a lack of character?
    Absolutely. When it is someone ELSES kid...well...he believes what he believes. When it becomes HIS kid...well...now...let me examine that...huh...OK...I changed my mind.
    I mean...come on...at least Obama changed his mind to earn campaign cash and votes.

    I have no problem with someone taking a good hard look at their belief system..challenging said belief system, and even changing their mind. Thats a good thing. My opinion on abortion and the death penalty has changed after debate and some consideration. But this is tantamount to a death bed confession.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Don't you think the key issue should be granting Federal recognition along the same lines as a heterosexual couple?

    It seems to me, all else is just a feel good exercise.

    The real benefits afforded through the application of tax law, inheritance, Social Security, etc. should be the goal, not recognition of an act or ceremony.
    I think that goes without saying. Gay marriage is illegal in my home state of Georgia, but legal in Iowa. If a gay couple travels to Iowa to get married and brings back the marriage certificate, both the federal government and the state of Georgia must recognize that certificate the same as any heterosexual marriage certificate from another state. Failure to do so would bring in Section 1 and 2 of Article IV of the constitution.
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The only thing I would force is that if you are married in one state, your marriage should be recognized by all the states.
    Agreed. As long as a state recognizes heterosexual marriages from another state for the purposes of benefits, it would be unconstitutional not to recognize valid gay marriages certificates.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Absolutely. When it is someone ELSES kid...well...he believes what he believes. When it becomes HIS kid...well...now...let me examine that...huh...OK...I changed my mind.
    I mean...come on...at least Obama changed his mind to earn campaign cash and votes.

    I have no problem with someone taking a good hard look at their belief system..challenging said belief system, and even changing their mind. Thats a good thing. My opinion on abortion and the death penalty has changed after debate and some consideration. But this is tantamount to a death bed confession.
    What a luxury it would be to dismiss a potential ally! Spare us the silly idealism.
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Absolutely. When it is someone ELSES kid...well...he believes what he believes. When it becomes HIS kid...well...now...let me examine that...huh...OK...I changed my mind.
    I mean...come on...at least Obama changed his mind to earn campaign cash and votes.

    I have no problem with someone taking a good hard look at their belief system..challenging said belief system, and even changing their mind. Thats a good thing. My opinion on abortion and the death penalty has changed after debate and some consideration. But this is tantamount to a death bed confession.
    Ok, fair enough. I see where you are coming from.

    Thanks for answering.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I don't think it's a GOP issue. That is where the issue falls on it's face. If voters in extremely liberal California can pass a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage, the GOP excuse is clearly misguided.

    It's an awesome talking point to rally the faithful, but it has no basis in reality.

    Pushing for state recognition achieves nothing. It's the Fed's who must extend the benefits already granted to heterosexual couples. Lose the "must call it marriage" demand, and it likely passes without much delay. People seem quite firm about maintaining the traditional definition of the word "marriage".
    Using your logic NO state would ever have that. However you are incorrect as gay marriage has been voted in other states.

    Again small steps. California anti-SSM proponents had huge influxes of money from Utah.

    Besides a simple SCOTUS ruling invalidates all you say.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Ok, fair enough. I see where you are coming from.

    Thanks for answering.
    Digsbe said it best in a similar thread. I just would have respected him more if he came out with a change of position BEFORE it involved his son.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    What a luxury it would be to dismiss a potential ally! Spare us the silly idealism.
    Help me understand where you see "dismissing a potential ally" or for that matter, the idealism.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Absolutely. When it is someone ELSES kid...well...he believes what he believes. When it becomes HIS kid...well...now...let me examine that...huh...OK...I changed my mind.
    I mean...come on...at least Obama changed his mind to earn campaign cash and votes.

    I have no problem with someone taking a good hard look at their belief system..challenging said belief system, and even changing their mind. Thats a good thing. My opinion on abortion and the death penalty has changed after debate and some consideration. But this is tantamount to a death bed confession.
    Sometimes until someone experiences something for themselves, they don't change. That change, even though it happens because of some event, doesn't nullify the person's change nor make it tainted.

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