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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Actually maybe it's more that his personal experience with his son gave him a different perspective on the issue.
    Perhaps - but I believe he's a Catholic so you can have the Catholic principle of "love the sinner, hate the sin" and not change your core view. If my son robs a bank, I'm still going to love my son but not suddenly think robbing a bank is okay. I know that's a poor analogy, so people, keep the hate to yourselves, I'm just making the point that you don't want people who lead to be making decisions that affect the entire population based on personal or family needs.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I heard the interview and I have to say irrespective of his decision to now support gay marriage, Mr. Portman proved himself unfit to be President or Vice-President for the way he made his decision. He claimed that his change in view is based on his son being gay and wanting his son to have the ability to marry whom he wants. That's fine, but you don't make a decision on principles based on an emotional reaction to your child's needs or wants. Make the decision because you believe all people, regardless of sexual orientation, should have the same rights, not because you want something special for your son.
    Human nature being what it is, I think sometimes when you find a personal reason for changing your mind, it makes you aware that maybe your previous thoughts weren't the correct ones. When it hits home, and you realize that you can still love someone even though they have admitted to something you may not have agreed with earlier, it's bound to cause some inner soul searching. As an political example, why do people change from being liberal to conservative, or vice versa? The idiology hasn't changed, but their thoughts have. Just my opinion...

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since the constitution does not give the federal government the power to determine who can or can't be married, I am perfectly happy to let the states decide this issue. If some states want to recognize gay marriages and some don't, that is the states right. I don't have a problem with it.

    As for Portman, the realization that each individual ought to live his life as he sees fit, I would say about time. Gay marriage does not hurt any one. So in my opinion it ought to be legal. But I have no problem with this issue being decided state by state. As time goes by more and more state will allow it with out the animosity a forced recognition would bring.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Since the constitution does not give the federal government the power to determine who can or can't be married, I am perfectly happy to let the states decide this issue. If some states want to recognize gay marriages and some don't, that is the states right. I don't have a problem with it.

    As for Portman, the realization that each individual ought to live his life as he sees fit, I would say about time. Gay marriage does not hurt any one. So in my opinion it ought to be legal. But I have no problem with this issue being decided state by state. As time goes by more and more state will allow it with out the animosity a forced recognition would bring.
    Thank you-well reasoned post!!

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Since the constitution does not give the federal government the power to determine who can or can't be married, I am perfectly happy to let the states decide this issue. If some states want to recognize gay marriages and some don't, that is the states right. I don't have a problem with it.

    As for Portman, the realization that each individual ought to live his life as he sees fit, I would say about time. Gay marriage does not hurt any one. So in my opinion it ought to be legal. But I have no problem with this issue being decided state by state. As time goes by more and more state will allow it with out the animosity a forced recognition would bring.

    Don't you think the key issue should be granting Federal recognition along the same lines as a heterosexual couple?

    It seems to me, all else is just a feel good exercise.

    The real benefits afforded through the application of tax law, inheritance, Social Security, etc. should be the goal, not recognition of an act or ceremony.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    He isnt a RINO, he simply has no character. I think it is far more laughable that people applaud his change of heart than it is he HAD the change of heart...only after it impacted his family. But then...values on this issue are always a casualty. Just ask Marco McMillian. Well...if he was still alive...

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    I was disappointed that some people thought that it was too little too late. When minority issues directly impact people, yes, it changes people's opinions, as it should. We should not dismiss their change because of this. If we did that, you could not believe the number of changes for many minorities would not move forward. Do I believe for an instant Sarah Palin cared a lick about the disabled before her son? I doubt it. Many people I know didn't care before it personally affected them. Now that it has impacted them directly and they changed, that's good. They are politically useful at the very least. Embrace Portman, turn him toward you. Worry about your "been there first" whining later.
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Don't you think the key issue should be granting Federal recognition.....
    The real benefits afforded through the application of tax law, inheritance, Social Security, etc. should be the goal, not recognition of an act or ceremony.
    Small steps. Nothing, outside of extreme force, usually comes quickly. The more and more the GOP comes around to recognizing that SSM should happen, the more likely SSM being legalized will become.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Since the constitution does not give the federal government the power to determine who can or can't be married, I am perfectly happy to let the states decide this issue. If some states want to recognize gay marriages and some don't, that is the states right. I don't have a problem with it.

    As for Portman, the realization that each individual ought to live his life as he sees fit, I would say about time. Gay marriage does not hurt any one. So in my opinion it ought to be legal. But I have no problem with this issue being decided state by state. As time goes by more and more state will allow it with out the animosity a forced recognition would bring.
    The only thing I would force is that if you are married in one state, your marriage should be recognized by all the states.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He isnt a RINO, he simply has no character. I think it is far more laughable that people applaud his change of heart than it is he HAD the change of heart...only after it impacted his family. But then...values on this issue are always a casualty. Just ask Marco McMillian. Well...if he was still alive...
    Vance, his reversal on SSM is a lack of character?

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