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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Actually, I said if you don't agree with yourself you are a moron. You see, if you follow a path you figure out is wrong and continue to be wrong then yes you are a moron. granted this is an area of personal value judgements, but if you look at it the person in question discovered he felt that his old stance was wrong. It is a pretty common thing for people to take up an idea regarding theology and philosophy and to change their mind when they experience something that shows them to be incorrect. he came to that conclusion, and if he had continued diown the wrong path because he was goosestepping with the others then yes that would be a moronic thing to do.


    When you advertise you are conservative please don't be surprised when someone implies you are with the conservatives. It just happens you also tend to argue sonme conservative points, despite not having the ability to participate fully in the US system. It seems obvious canada has it's own conservative people. I can understand your desire to not be associated with the US party turning itself into a bigger and bigger joke, but you do go out of your way to support them in ideas.


    So what you are saying is that once he realized he was wrong he should have just continued to do the wrong thing because it would have been wrong to change his mind because of his family? I am sorry, but that sounds like a really moronic thing to do. I have to stand by my initial evaluation of someone who would do that being a moron.
    I won't do you the disservice of reporting your comments as abusive as you clearly did with one of mine. I'm man enough to participate in debate and defend myself without running to mommy. You clearly still haven't any understanding of my original post so further exchange of thoughts with you would be pointless.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Currently the states determine the ages when you can marry, whether blood tests are required and other details.
    None of this has anything to do with deciding "WHO" they get married to. The state can't arbitrarily decide blonds and brunettes can't get married anymore than it can decide whether a guy who wears earrings and a girl who doesn't can.
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Correct. But exactly how should this person who "changed their mind" about gay marriage be viewed ? He was an enthusiastic, if not gungho, opponent of gay marriage before his son came out--------So, what, he had an epiphany ?.........Be against anything for no reason until it effects someone in your family, then abruptly shift gears ?..............Conservatives think conservatives don't have gay kids ?....................
    As an answer to your last question, yes. They are told over and over it is a choice. it is something psychological you can cure. it is something that comes from when your kid was two and he looked too long at something pink. There are many cons who have been told some really abhorrent lies, and have been completely mislead. I was watching some conservative guy testify in Missouri about gay marriage and he actually said the reason aids happens is because a uterus stops the spread of aids. Someone told this guy that a uterus filters the aids virus, and he believed them. All of that is not good enough either, because then they bring the afterlife into it, tell everyone we are going extinct, and make it seem like gays are going to outlaw people having families.

    The problem is they dress these village idiots who spread this BS up in suits and call them news people. They call some of them doctors. they give some silly hats and call them representatives of god. It is not terribly surprising people believe them when they assume positions of knowledge and authority to spread lies and BS. They want gays back in the closet because first hand knowledge destroys these lies in many people. If the only exposure you ever have or know about with the gay community is some guy lying to make them look like the worst possible people in the world, some people are going to buy it. When gay people have to hide who they are for fear of retribution this makes them invisible because most people assume you are straight until they find out different. This allows the pro-straight liars to pretend that you are not surrounded by respectable homosexuals every day who you would never know. because it is easy to pretend you don't know any gay people is the reason why it becomes important for gay people to come out. It is also dangerous because everyone knows there is discrimination and the people who do not want gays seen make a huge effort to do that.

    So yes when this guy changes his mind because his son was probably the first person he knew well and loved who was gay, then it changed his mind. unfortunately that does not always happen. It is acceptable to disown, attack, and torture gay children. yes, people's minds are often changed about prejudices because of someone close to them. It is just something one has to accept about humans. Sometimes it takes a pretty big knock to the head to tell them thy were wrong. At least he admitted it, and showing some of the more stubborn gay haters it is ok to admit to being wrong will give those people an excuse to follow suit. I know the world would be a much better place if people didn't wait for something so obvious to re-evaluate their feelings, but the world is what it is.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Correct. But exactly how should this person who "changed their mind" about gay marriage be viewed ? He was an enthusiastic, if not gungho, opponent of gay marriage before his son came out--------So, what, he had an epiphany ?.........Be against anything for no reason until it effects someone in your family, then abruptly shift gears ?..............Conservatives think conservatives don't have gay kids ?....................
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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    None of this has anything to do with deciding "WHO" they get married to. The state can't arbitrarily decide blonds and brunettes can't get married anymore than it can decide whether a guy who wears earrings and a girl who doesn't can.
    States decide "WHO" by age, and now that some states legalized gay marriage, by gender. Up until 1967, they could restrict marriage by race. When the Supremes banned anti-miscegenation laws they did not take away state's overall authority to regulate marriage as long as it was race neutral. I'm not saying whether state regulation of marriage is desirable or not, it is the current state of the law.

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    Re: GOP senator reverses gay-marriage stance after son comes out

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    California is not as liberal as reputed. It is has had Republican governors quite recently.
    The last true Republican Governor in California was Pete Wilson, who left office with a multi-billion surplus. Gray Davis, his Democrat successor was recalled before his first term was up, but not before signing legislation that continues to bury the state today.

    Arnold S, was anything but a Republican, as his catastrophic support of Global Warming and and other far left Progressive intiatives proved.

    Sorry, but you're not close. No other state, and in some cases, no other country in the world, has adopted the far left liberal/progressive agenda as California has.

    The economy in California should provide ample proof of this.

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