Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

Empirica · Mar 18, 2013

Deuce said:
And shouldn't said corporations then support a "business-friendly" narrative rather than your perception of a "liberal" one?

You would think, but they willingly and eagerly sacrifice profit for politics in their news departments_

Which is actually inconsequential because this loss is absorbed by commercial entertainment programming which takes up 95% of all air time making the news irrelevant as "for profit"_

The great bulk of ABC's NBC's and CBS's revenue is derived from entertainment and for this reason they can sacrifice news integrity for ideopolitical propaganda purposes and still keep the stockholders happy_

The Top Brass and their news and programming staff are devout Progressive ideologues that consider this meager financial loss to be a major political contribution except tremendously more beneficial than money_

Loyal liberals try to dismiss the existence of a left-wing media as a right-wing nutcase conspiracy myth but the simple truth is, the majority of the Media and Hollywood industry is controlled by the left which isn't a big secret_

There's no conspiracy, simply an entertainment industry that is controlled by like-minded ideologues who use their Media-Monopoly to promote their social and political views, policies and candidates_

Unfortunately when the flow of information is channeled in one direction, the freedom of expression and ideas are silenced and all dissent is demonized by those in control of the flow__Which is where we are now_

Empirica · Mar 18, 2013

Deuce said:
A conspiracy theory like "massive liberal media bias" has more followers but that doesn't make it more accurate.

The media has a financial bias, a sensational bias (which is related to the financial bias), and a bias towards laziness.

Please, this is for everyone _As I have stated many times, there is no "left-wing media bias conspiracy"_

There are no evil conspirators in foster grants meeting in secret board rooms to plan the degree of media lean_

There is simply an entertainment industry that is overwhelmingly controlled by like minded left-wing ideologues_

Are you really surprised that people who control the media would use it to promote their own views and politics?

Personally, I'd be more shocked to discover that people in such a position did not take advantage of that power_

Grant · Mar 18, 2013

Empirica said:
Please, this is for everyone _As I have stated many times, there is no "left-wing media bias conspiracy"_

There are no evil conspirators in foster grants meeting in secret board rooms to plan the degree of media lean_

There is simply an entertainment industry that is overwhelmingly controlled by like minded left-wing ideologues_

Are you really surprised that people who control the media would use it to promote their own views and politics?

Personally, I'd be more shocked to discover that people in such a position did not take advantage of that power_

What happens is that media employers, especially on the left, tend to hire those who share the same intelligent opinions as themselves. The left even resents Fox news because it is a mix of left and right. Pure left is all many of them can take.

Of course it has always been a leftist ambition to control education and the media, and they have made amazing advances in that direction.

Deuce · Mar 19, 2013

Empirica said:
You would think, but they willingly and eagerly sacrifice profit for politics in their news departments_

Which is actually inconsequential because this loss is absorbed by commercial entertainment programming which takes up 95% of all air time making the news irrelevant as "for profit"_

The great bulk of ABC's NBC's and CBS's revenue is derived from entertainment and for this reason they can sacrifice news integrity for ideopolitical propaganda purposes and still keep the stockholders happy_

The Top Brass and their news and programming staff are devout Progressive ideologues that consider this meager financial loss to be a major political contribution except tremendously more beneficial than money_

Loyal liberals try to dismiss the existence of a left-wing media as a right-wing nutcase conspiracy myth but the simple truth is, the majority of the Media and Hollywood industry is controlled by the left which isn't a big secret_

There's no conspiracy, simply an entertainment industry that is controlled by like-minded ideologues who use their Media-Monopoly to promote their social and political views, policies and candidates_

Unfortunately when the flow of information is channeled in one direction, the freedom of expression and ideas are silenced and all dissent is demonized by those in control of the flow__Which is where we are now_

"Controlled by" "the left." But it's not a conspiracy theory. :lamo

Maybe you're just far enough off the scale that you wouldn't recognize the "center."

mpg · Mar 19, 2013

Deuce said:
"Controlled by" "the left." But it's not a conspiracy theory. :lamo

Maybe you're just far enough off the scale that you wouldn't recognize the "center."

Claiming that these two words are the same is either dishonest or incredibly stupid.

Control - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Conspire - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

If I say that The Washington Times and The New York Post are both conservative, does that make me some sort of whacked out conspiracy theorist? Of course not. Empirica never even implied that there's a conspiracy.

Empirica · Mar 19, 2013

Deuce said:
"Controlled by" "the left." But it's not a conspiracy theory. :lamo

Maybe you're just far enough off the scale that you wouldn't recognize the "center."

Maybe you're just far enough off the scale that you wouldn't recognize "reality"_

But, if you're truly interested in the truth it's not that difficult to discover the political preference of Hollywood's and the Main Stream Media's elites_

Most of these people make no effort to hide their political views or the candidates they support_

I assure you, they are the who's who of American Progressivism with very few being right of center_

The only ones in this industry that might actually be politically discreet are the ones who aren't liberal_

falcata · Mar 19, 2013

Grant said:
What happens is that media employers, especially on the left, tend to hire those who share the same intelligent opinions as themselves. The left even resents Fox news because it is a mix of left and right. Pure left is all many of them can take.

Of course it has always been a leftist ambition to control education and the media, and they have made amazing advances in that direction.

Who could ever honestly say to themselves that Fox News is a mix of left and right wing media?

Fox has such a strong right wing rhetoric that it doesn't matter if they run a left wing news story because they turn it against them. Fox news is the most blatantly biased news station. MSNBC is a close second.

mpg · Mar 19, 2013

falcata said:
Who could ever honestly say to themselves that Fox News is a mix of left and right wing media?

Fox has such a strong right wing rhetoric that it doesn't matter if they run a left wing news story because they turn it against them. Fox news is the most blatantly biased news station. MSNBC is a close second.

MSNBC is overtly liberal. CNN and Fox have opposite biases but are fairly equally biased.

falcata · Mar 19, 2013

mpg said:
MSNBC is overtly liberal. CNN and Fox have opposite biases but are fairly equally biased.

MSNBC shows mostly left wing news stories so although they are most definetly biased at least they are not dishonest with their coverage, because it's all already in their favor.

Fox news on the other has coverage of both left and right wing media stories. However they use dishonest rhetoric and lies on such left wing news stories to attempt to spin them in their own favor. So not only is fox news biased, but it's biased and dishonest

This is what makes Fox News the worst news station.

mpg · Mar 19, 2013

falcata said:
MSNBC shows mostly left wing news stories so although they are most definetly biased at least they are not dishonest with their coverage, because it's all already in their favor.

Fox news on the other has coverage of both left and right wing media stories. However they use dishonest rhetoric and lies on such left wing news stories to attempt to spin them in their own favor. So not only is fox news biased, but it's biased and dishonest

This is what makes Fox News the worst news station.

I agree that MSNBC is honest about its bias.

I agree that Fox is dishonest about its bias.

Where we disagree is the other networks. They're as dishonest as Fox.

falcata · Mar 19, 2013

mpg said:
I agree that MSNBC is honest about its bias.

I agree that Fox is dishonest about its bias.

Where we disagree is the other networks. They're as dishonest as Fox.

Could you please give me an example?

mpg · Mar 20, 2013

falcata said:
Could you please give me an example?

Millions of examples have been given in this sub-forum in recent years. One of the recent ones was the coverage of the gun rights debate. It's been 8:1 against.

Grant · Mar 20, 2013

falcata said:
Who could ever honestly say to themselves that Fox News is a mix of left and right wing media?

Fox has such a strong right wing rhetoric that it doesn't matter if they run a left wing news story because they turn it against them. Fox news is the most blatantly biased news station. MSNBC is a close second.

In fact it is a mix, which is why it's reach the position it has. Having spent much of your time being in left wing surroundings you may not be aware of alternative points of view. That they are "right wing" rather than 'in the middle" suggests you haven't been exposed to many different points of view.

LowDown · Mar 22, 2013

TheDemSocialist said:
I think everyone who still believes in the evil "liberal media" talking point needs to read this: What Liberal Media? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also i find that anything that is considered "liberal media" is anything that does follow the conservative mind set.

The left is forever claiming that their view is the mainstream view, the balanced view, and represents nothing more than common sense. It's obvious to everyone else that they are full of beans.

My knowledge of Alterman's book extends only to his insistence that the failure of liberals in the talk radio format is somehow significant, as if a conservative toe hold in this now tiny and ancient broadcast format is a looming threat to all of Western culture.

The other conceit that Alterman is famous for is that idea that anyone not to the left of Che Guevara isn't really a leftist at all but are just those who represent his "middle of the road" or "common sense" (see above). Here's a book about that particular lie:

The Tyranny of Cliches: How Liberals Cheat in the War of Ideas: Jonah Goldberg: 9781595230867: Amazon.com: Books

According to Jonah Goldberg, if the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist, the greatest trick liberals ever pulled was convincing themselves that they’re not ideological.

Today, “objective” journalists, academics and “moderate” politicians peddle some of the most radical arguments by hiding them in homespun aphorisms. Barack Obama casts himself as a disciple of reason and sticks to one refrain above all others: he’s a pragmatist, opposed to the ideology and dogma of the right, solely concerned with “what works.” And today’s liberals follow his lead, spouting countless clichés such as:

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter: Sure, if the other man is an idiot. Was Martin Luther King Jr. a terrorist? Was Bin Laden a freedom fighter?

Violence never solves anything: Really? It solved our problems with the British empire and ended slavery.

Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer: So you won’t mind if those ten guilty men move next door to you?

Diversity is strength: Cool. The NBA should have a quota for midgets and one-legged point guards!

We need complete separation of church and state: In other words all expressions of faith should be barred from politics …except when they support liberal programs.

LowDown · Mar 22, 2013

falcata said:
MSNBC shows mostly left wing news stories so although they are most definetly biased at least they are not dishonest with their coverage, because it's all already in their favor.

Fox news on the other has coverage of both left and right wing media stories. However they use dishonest rhetoric and lies on such left wing news stories to attempt to spin them in their own favor. So not only is fox news biased, but it's biased and dishonest

This is what makes Fox News the worst news station.

Nope, none of this is true. Fox, in contrast to MSNBC, always has people on to represent both sides of a political dispute. MSNBC almost never has anyone on except those who support their leftist viewpoint. The main part of Fox's programming day is shows like Hannity and O'Reilly who have never made any bones about their ideological slant and have never represented themselves as being anything other than commentators. But even they consistently have people from the other side on their shows.

You draw a false equivalence. Fox is nothing like MSNBC. Fox is much much better and more fair. I don't see how anyone could miss this except as a deliberate effort to misrepresent.

falcata · Mar 23, 2013

LowDown said:
Nope, none of this is true. Fox, in contrast to MSNBC, always has people on to represent both sides of a political dispute. MSNBC almost never has anyone on except those who support their leftist viewpoint. The main part of Fox's programming day is shows like Hannity and O'Reilly who have never made any bones about their ideological slant and have never represented themselves as being anything other than commentators. But even they consistently have people from the other side on their shows.

You draw a false equivalence. Fox is nothing like MSNBC. Fox is much much better and more fair. I don't see how anyone could miss this except as a deliberate effort to misrepresent.

No, I fully stand by my statement regarding Fox News as the worst news station on the air.

You also didn't really dispute what I said, and almost agreed with it to some extent.

I agree that Fox isn't like MSNBC, they preform their biases in 2 different ways. MSNBC with propaganda like coverage, and Fox News with dishonesty.
Hannity and O'Reilly both cover stories from both sides of the political spectrum, however they use bad rhetoric and fact twisting in order to spin the story in their own favor.

Personally I have a lot a bigger problem with dishonesty.

LowDown · Mar 23, 2013

falcata said:
No, I fully stand by my statement regarding Fox News as the worst news station on the air.

So?

You also didn't really dispute what I said, and almost agreed with it to some extent.

I said that you were completely wrong.

I agree that Fox isn't like MSNBC, they preform their biases in 2 different ways. MSNBC with propaganda like coverage, and Fox News with dishonesty. Hannity and O'Reilly both cover stories from both sides of the political spectrum, however they use bad rhetoric and fact twisting in order to spin the story in their own favor.

MSNBC routinely leaves facts and opinions from one whole side of the story out of their reports, and you consider this to be honest?

Fox has people on to dissent from Fox's editorial line routinely. They voice their opinions and present contrary facts.

Personally I have a lot a bigger problem with dishonesty.

Opinions you don't agree with are not lies.

Perotista · Mar 23, 2013

Grant said:
In fact it is a mix, which is why it's reach the position it has. Having spent much of your time being in left wing surroundings you may not be aware of alternative points of view. That they are "right wing" rather than 'in the middle" suggests you haven't been exposed to many different points of view.

Or they do not want to hear them or have other people hear them. Each channel has their intended viewers and each channel tries to cater to them. If one does not like what one hears on one channel, change channels or turn off the TV and go read a good book or take care of some household chores. Variety is the spice of life, having varying view points that can be heard in my opinion it is a good thing. MSNBC fills a role for the left, FOX for the right. During the day I switch back and forth between FOX and CNN, I hate commercials. But the news portions of each channel is relative the same. It is the talk shows, the political opinion shows that is where these two channels depart from each other.

notquiteright · Mar 23, 2013

Empirica said:
It is the function of Capitalism to maintain a friendly political environment to allow Corporations to operate efficiently and free to concentrate on profit_

Wrong, it is the function of conservatives in politics to create that 'friendly' environment. Lobbyists then act as the go between. Capitalism is economics, Representative Democracy is political. Corporations thrive anyplace they can pay, ahhh pave the way to profit, be it China, Nigeria and of course the good ol' USofA.

eace

Empirica · Mar 25, 2013

notquiteright said:
Wrong, it is the function of conservatives in politics to create that 'friendly' environment. Lobbyists then act as the go between.

The United States was built upon a Capitalist Foundation which is what made it so tremendously successful and wealthy, attracting millions of immigrants from all over the world to participate in the American Dream_

And you're telling me that the "Conservatives"(right-wing of politics) are the only ones supporting Capitalism?!

By your rationale, am I to assume that the "Progressives"(left-wing of politics) are in opposition to Capitalism?!

By golly notquiteright, I think I'm going to have to agree that you arequiteright on this one!

Capitalism is economics,

As is the oppressive restrictive system of Socialism_

Representative Democracy is political.

As is a Representative Republic, which is what the US happens to be_

Corporations thrive anyplace they can pay, ahhh pave the way to profit, be it China, Nigeria and of course the good ol' USofA. eace

Corporate Profit opens doors to opportunity, innovation, jobs and tax revenue__A win-win for everybody_

eace
Marxism, the engine that drives the Progressive Machine, preaches that corporations are evil entities that are the creation of Capitalism which is the number one enemy and primary obstacle of Socialism_

notquiteright · Mar 25, 2013

Empirica said:
The United States was built upon a Capitalist Foundation which is what made it so tremendously successful and wealthy, attracting millions of immigrants from all over the world to participate in the American Dream_

And you're telling me that the "Conservatives"(right-wing of politics) are the only ones supporting Capitalism?!

By your rationale, am I to assume that the "Progressives"(left-wing of politics) are in opposition to Capitalism?!

By golly notquiteright, I think I'm going to have to agree that you arequiteright on this one!

As is the oppressive restrictive system of Socialism_

As is a Representative Republic, which is what the US happens to be_

Corporate Profit opens doors to opportunity, innovation, jobs and tax revenue__A win-win for everybody_ eace
Marxism, the engine that drives the Progressive Machine, preaches that corporations are evil entities that are the creation of Capitalism which is the number one enemy and primary obstacle of Socialism_

No sweetie, you can twist it anyway you want, but you are putting the horse before the cart.

Capitalism isn't 'politics' but economics. Conservatives are hog wild for 'cutting red tape' and causing cyclic depressions while progressives are just as adamant in putting up firewalls that may SLOW over heated economies but insure once the capitalist 'invisible hand' has finished we have a safety net for the wage earner.

Your concept of a capitalist foundation is right up there with Christian foundation. While some worship profit over all else there was a time when the village common didn't mean land for a speculator to put condos on.

Once we had a national motto E pluribus unum.

Some now think it means many work for the good of 1%... :roll:

Corporate profits don't open any doors except perhaps in Congress. Once a stock value meant something about the company, now it is just another casino keno number.

Your rough concepts on capitalism, corporations, conservatives and progressives sounds like 50's grade school pap with a good dose of Daddy's knee thrown in.

aejaxe6 · Mar 25, 2013

mr4anarchy said:
Monopoly rights?

Oh, I see, you still buy into that "liberal media" myth. That billion-dollar corporations would promote a daily liberal narrative.

Media is neither left or right. Media is Government propaganda.

aejaxe6 · Mar 25, 2013

What democrats fail to realize is that the richest people in Congress are Democrats.

Empirica · Mar 25, 2013

notquiteright said:
No sweetie, you can twist it anyway you want, but you are putting the horse before the cart.

Capitalism isn't 'politics' but economics. Conservatives are hog wild for 'cutting red tape' and causing cyclic depressions while progressives are just as adamant in putting up firewalls that may SLOW over heated economies but insure once the capitalist 'invisible hand' has finished we have a safety net for the wage earner.

Your concept of a capitalist foundation is right up there with Christian foundation. While some worship profit over all else there was a time when the village common didn't mean land for a speculator to put condos on.

Once we had a national motto E pluribus unum.

Some now think it means many work for the good of 1%... :roll:

Corporate profits don't open any doors except perhaps in Congress. Once a stock value meant something about the company, now it is just another casino keno number.

Your rough concepts on capitalism, corporations, conservatives and progressives sounds like 50's grade school pap with a good dose of Daddy's knee thrown in.

Like so many, you are a prime example of Marxist indoctrination and propaganda_

Even though I never attended public schools, I did experience it in the hallowed halls of higher learning_

Unfortunately the universities are filled with rebellious young minds and radicals anxious to recruit them_

Perotista · Mar 25, 2013

aejaxe6 said:
What democrats fail to realize is that the richest people in Congress are Democrats.

Actually when looking at the top 20 richest members in congress, it is splitt 10-10. But when only looking at the top 10, Democrats hold 7 of those positions.

1 Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $294.21 Million
2 Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.)$220.40 million
3 Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) $193.07 Million
4 Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) $81.63 Million
5 Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) $76.30 Million
6 Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.) $65.91Million
7 Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) $55.07 Million
8 Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) $52.93 Million
9 Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) $45.39 Million
10 Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.) $44.21Million
11 Rep. Jim Renacci (R-Ohio) $35.87 Million
12 Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) $35.20 Million
13 Rep. Rick Berg (R-N.D.) $21.60 Million
14 Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) $21.18 Million
15 Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.) $20.35Million
16 Sen. James Risch (R-Idaho) $19.78 Million
17 Rep. Gary Miller (R-Calif.) $17.45 Million
18 Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) $17.00 Million
19 Rep. Kenny Marchant (R-Texas) $16.45 Million
109 Rep. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) $15.46 million

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