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    Re: Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I agree that MSNBC is honest about its bias.

    I agree that Fox is dishonest about its bias.

    Where we disagree is the other networks. They're as dishonest as Fox.
    Could you please give me an example?
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    Re: Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Could you please give me an example?
    Millions of examples have been given in this sub-forum in recent years. One of the recent ones was the coverage of the gun rights debate. It's been 8:1 against.
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    Re: Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Who could ever honestly say to themselves that Fox News is a mix of left and right wing media?

    Fox has such a strong right wing rhetoric that it doesn't matter if they run a left wing news story because they turn it against them. Fox news is the most blatantly biased news station. MSNBC is a close second.
    In fact it is a mix, which is why it's reach the position it has. Having spent much of your time being in left wing surroundings you may not be aware of alternative points of view. That they are "right wing" rather than 'in the middle" suggests you haven't been exposed to many different points of view.

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    Re: Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think everyone who still believes in the evil "liberal media" talking point needs to read this: What Liberal Media? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Also i find that anything that is considered "liberal media" is anything that does follow the conservative mind set.
    The left is forever claiming that their view is the mainstream view, the balanced view, and represents nothing more than common sense. It's obvious to everyone else that they are full of beans.

    My knowledge of Alterman's book extends only to his insistence that the failure of liberals in the talk radio format is somehow significant, as if a conservative toe hold in this now tiny and ancient broadcast format is a looming threat to all of Western culture.

    The other conceit that Alterman is famous for is that idea that anyone not to the left of Che Guevara isn't really a leftist at all but are just those who represent his "middle of the road" or "common sense" (see above). Here's a book about that particular lie:

    The Tyranny of Cliches: How Liberals Cheat in the War of Ideas: Jonah Goldberg: 9781595230867: Amazon.com: Books

    According to Jonah Goldberg, if the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist, the greatest trick liberals ever pulled was convincing themselves that they’re not ideological.

    Today, “objective” journalists, academics and “moderate” politicians peddle some of the most radical arguments by hiding them in homespun aphorisms. Barack Obama casts himself as a disciple of reason and sticks to one refrain above all others: he’s a pragmatist, opposed to the ideology and dogma of the right, solely concerned with “what works.” And today’s liberals follow his lead, spouting countless clichés such as:

    • One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter: Sure, if the other man is an idiot. Was Martin Luther King Jr. a terrorist? Was Bin Laden a freedom fighter?
    • Violence never solves anything: Really? It solved our problems with the British empire and ended slavery.
    • Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man suffer: So you won’t mind if those ten guilty men move next door to you?
    • Diversity is strength: Cool. The NBA should have a quota for midgets and one-legged point guards!
    • We need complete separation of church and state: In other words all expressions of faith should be barred from politics …except when they support liberal programs.

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    Re: Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    MSNBC shows mostly left wing news stories so although they are most definetly biased at least they are not dishonest with their coverage, because it's all already in their favor.

    Fox news on the other has coverage of both left and right wing media stories. However they use dishonest rhetoric and lies on such left wing news stories to attempt to spin them in their own favor. So not only is fox news biased, but it's biased and dishonest

    This is what makes Fox News the worst news station.
    Nope, none of this is true. Fox, in contrast to MSNBC, always has people on to represent both sides of a political dispute. MSNBC almost never has anyone on except those who support their leftist viewpoint. The main part of Fox's programming day is shows like Hannity and O'Reilly who have never made any bones about their ideological slant and have never represented themselves as being anything other than commentators. But even they consistently have people from the other side on their shows.

    You draw a false equivalence. Fox is nothing like MSNBC. Fox is much much better and more fair. I don't see how anyone could miss this except as a deliberate effort to misrepresent.

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    Re: Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Nope, none of this is true. Fox, in contrast to MSNBC, always has people on to represent both sides of a political dispute. MSNBC almost never has anyone on except those who support their leftist viewpoint. The main part of Fox's programming day is shows like Hannity and O'Reilly who have never made any bones about their ideological slant and have never represented themselves as being anything other than commentators. But even they consistently have people from the other side on their shows.

    You draw a false equivalence. Fox is nothing like MSNBC. Fox is much much better and more fair. I don't see how anyone could miss this except as a deliberate effort to misrepresent.
    No, I fully stand by my statement regarding Fox News as the worst news station on the air.

    You also didn't really dispute what I said, and almost agreed with it to some extent.

    I agree that Fox isn't like MSNBC, they preform their biases in 2 different ways. MSNBC with propaganda like coverage, and Fox News with dishonesty.
    Hannity and O'Reilly both cover stories from both sides of the political spectrum, however they use bad rhetoric and fact twisting in order to spin the story in their own favor.

    Personally I have a lot a bigger problem with dishonesty.
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    Re: Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    No, I fully stand by my statement regarding Fox News as the worst news station on the air.
    So?

    You also didn't really dispute what I said, and almost agreed with it to some extent.
    I said that you were completely wrong.

    I agree that Fox isn't like MSNBC, they preform their biases in 2 different ways. MSNBC with propaganda like coverage, and Fox News with dishonesty. Hannity and O'Reilly both cover stories from both sides of the political spectrum, however they use bad rhetoric and fact twisting in order to spin the story in their own favor.
    MSNBC routinely leaves facts and opinions from one whole side of the story out of their reports, and you consider this to be honest?

    Fox has people on to dissent from Fox's editorial line routinely. They voice their opinions and present contrary facts.

    Personally I have a lot a bigger problem with dishonesty.
    Opinions you don't agree with are not lies.

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    Re: Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact it is a mix, which is why it's reach the position it has. Having spent much of your time being in left wing surroundings you may not be aware of alternative points of view. That they are "right wing" rather than 'in the middle" suggests you haven't been exposed to many different points of view.
    Or they do not want to hear them or have other people hear them. Each channel has their intended viewers and each channel tries to cater to them. If one does not like what one hears on one channel, change channels or turn off the TV and go read a good book or take care of some household chores. Variety is the spice of life, having varying view points that can be heard in my opinion it is a good thing. MSNBC fills a role for the left, FOX for the right. During the day I switch back and forth between FOX and CNN, I hate commercials. But the news portions of each channel is relative the same. It is the talk shows, the political opinion shows that is where these two channels depart from each other.
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    Re: Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    It is the function of Capitalism to maintain a friendly political environment to allow Corporations to operate efficiently and free to concentrate on profit_
    Wrong, it is the function of conservatives in politics to create that 'friendly' environment. Lobbyists then act as the go between. Capitalism is economics, Representative Democracy is political. Corporations thrive anyplace they can pay, ahhh pave the way to profit, be it China, Nigeria and of course the good ol' USofA.

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    Re: Washington Times Creating Conservative TV Channel

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Wrong, it is the function of conservatives in politics to create that 'friendly' environment. Lobbyists then act as the go between.
    The United States was built upon a Capitalist Foundation which is what made it so tremendously successful and wealthy, attracting millions of immigrants from all over the world to participate in the American Dream_

    And you're telling me that the "Conservatives"(right-wing of politics) are the only ones supporting Capitalism?!

    By your rationale, am I to assume that the "Progressives"(left-wing of politics) are in opposition to Capitalism?!

    By golly notquiteright, I think I'm going to have to agree that you arequiteright on this one!

    Capitalism is economics,
    As is the oppressive restrictive system of Socialism_

    Representative Democracy is political.
    As is a Representative Republic, which is what the US happens to be_

    Corporations thrive anyplace they can pay, ahhh pave the way to profit, be it China, Nigeria and of course the good ol' USofA.
    Corporate Profit opens doors to opportunity, innovation, jobs and tax revenue__A win-win for everybody_
    Marxism, the engine that drives the Progressive Machine, preaches that corporations are evil entities that are the creation of Capitalism which is the number one enemy and primary obstacle of Socialism_
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