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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    If Reagan launched the program that you are now claiming is bribery then what more evidence do you need? If one is bribery then the other is. Is it really so difficult to judge both parties and all politicians by the same standard? If it is wrong for one president to do it, then it is wrong for any president to do the same thing. Or politician. You either think it is bribery and it is wrong or you don't.
    Do you believe that food stamps began as bribery? Welfare? Medicare?

    There are hundreds of social programs. Do you believe they all began as bribery?

    Do you understand though that eventually, through unscrupulous politicians and their campaign workers, that government programs can take the form of bribery?

    Do you understand that? I mean really? Do you understand the differences?

    No?

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    About those free "Obamaphones":
    The so called "lifeline" program to provide free phones to the poor was started during the Reagan Administration, expanded during the Clinton Administration, expanded to include cell phones during Bush II.

    So, they're really Reclibush phones, right?

    Oh, and the Reclibush phones aren't paid for with tax money.
    Here's some of the history. It began in the 30's.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, what is circular is your often misreading of my comments.
    No, I read them correctly, that's what gives you such a fit.

    I've made very clear and coherent arguments.
    You have? I have to say, that trying to decipher some of your postings can be painful...Allow me to give an example....

    "That's kind of a silly question, but he sent he first business person to be short sighted. He'll, the auto industry has made being short sighted an art form. They've need government help as much or more than any industry I think."

    Can you proof read before hitting the send button please?

    The joke is that some of see no other cause for anything but the government. That can only be true if the government controls everything. If they do, then government really is the answer.
    This is a textbook example of not one but two logical fallacies...One being circular logic, and the other being the false dilemma. When you try to say that 'if A, then B is the only answer, so C is true' that is a fallacy, and sorry, but you lose the argument.

    That's the argument you and a few others are trying to make, wildly and often Inaccurately blaming every single thing on Obama. Doing that is illogical.
    No. No one is saying that government is the answer. What we are saying is that Obama, and progressives are doing things designed to make people more dependent on government. Such as food stamps. In reality we are saying the exact opposite, that government screws it up when they try to place themselves as the answer to all problems. So, it is either a bit of classic projection for you to arrogantly say that we believe something, or such a failure in misreading the thoughts of another, that it takes on signs of epic fail in its assumption. :
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you believe that food stamps began as bribery? Welfare? Medicare?

    There are hundreds of social programs. Do you believe they all began as bribery?

    Do you understand though that eventually, through unscrupulous politicians and their campaign workers, that government programs can take the form of bribery?

    Do you understand that? I mean really? Do you understand the differences?

    No?
    Again you are stating that one government official starts a program and it is a great idea. Another president does it and it is bribery. You either think social programs are political bribery or you dont. There is no difference.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Again you are stating that one government official starts a program and it is a great idea. Another president does it and it is bribery. You either think social programs are political bribery or you dont. There is no difference.
    I think it is...We have historical proof that BOTH parties have strategized that government give aways will sway voters, however, when repubs do it it doesn't work as well as when demo's do it...Probably because in this arena, liberal messaging is far better than repub messaging...But let's be clear, since the seeds of FDR, these programs have been exploited by demo's to keep minority, and less educated voters on the plantation.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here's some of the history. It began in the 30's.

    Free Obama Cell Phones - YouTube
    OMG! Obama was giving things away even before he was born. Who knew.

    We probably had one of those primitive "Obamaphones" back in the 1950s. Our little rural community didn't have phone service until around 1955 or so, when we were able to get a party line phone and actually be connected to our neighbors without having to drive or walk a half mile or so to the nearest house.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    OMG! Obama was giving things away even before he was born. Who knew.

    We probably had one of those primitive "Obamaphones" back in the 1950s. Our little rural community didn't have phone service until around 1955 or so, when we were able to get a party line phone and actually be connected to our neighbors without having to drive or walk a half mile or so to the nearest house.

    I swear Ditto, sometimes.....Obama is only the current corrupt tool occupying the office that is doing this, so what? Should we not criticize anything this man does?
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I swear Ditto, sometimes.....Obama is only the current corrupt tool occupying the office that is doing this, so what? Should we not criticize anything this man does?
    We should criticize what he does, yes.
    We should not pretend that big government started with Obama. That's my point. If the free phones started in the 1930s, why not call them "Hooverphones"?

    Just how is the current big government statist administration different from the previous statist big government administration?
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We should criticize what he does, yes.
    Well then, your mocking opening sentence to your post does not make sense, unless you think that just because others did it too, then it is ok? Is that what you think?

    We should not pretend that big government started with Obama.
    Of course not, the liberal progressive cancer has always been in favor of ever expanding government.

    That's my point. If the free phones started in the 1930s, why not call them "Hooverphones"?
    The phone service was started because those that were poor didn't have a means to contact emergency services, and if I am not mistaken that is why it was started....So, if we were to continue on that path, then make the phones given out only able to do that. Why do they have to be fully functioning?

    Just how is the current big government statist administration different from the previous statist big government administration?
    timing, and motive.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well then, your mocking opening sentence to your post does not make sense, unless you think that just because others did it too, then it is ok? Is that what you think?



    Of course not, the liberal progressive cancer has always been in favor of ever expanding government.



    The phone service was started because those that were poor didn't have a means to contact emergency services, and if I am not mistaken that is why it was started....So, if we were to continue on that path, then make the phones given out only able to do that. Why do they have to be fully functioning?



    timing, and motive.
    Timing?
    The motive is to get as much power as possible. Has that changed?

    No, my theory is that the difference is in one letter: D vs. R.
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