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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Your failure to comprehend is not my failure. I was not responsible for your education.
    As I suspected, you have nothing in original thought, but to string together a bunch of catch phrase, emptiness and call it intellectualism....Fail.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As I suspected, you have nothing in original thought, but to string together a bunch of catch phrase, emptiness and call it intellectualism....Fail.
    I am full of original thought. Coming from someone who spews what the Republican party tells him to it doesn't mean much when you talk about catch phrases. Our economy is ****ty because of the general american public. You can call that whatever you'd like, doesnt make it any less false. But your rebuttal of "fail" probably makes you proud of yourself. Get yourself a candybar.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I am full of original thought. Coming from someone who spews what the Republican party tells him to it doesn't mean much when you talk about catch phrases. Our economy is ****ty because of the general american public. You can call that whatever you'd like, doesnt make it any less false. But your rebuttal of "fail" probably makes you proud of yourself. Get yourself a candybar.
    So give some specifics! So far all you have done is attack me for asking you to elaborate....I see nothing original in that. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    This is interesting. Perhaps you could spell out a few of those factors for us.

    Because I can give you some very specific reasons for our nose diving economy and their direct relationship to this President and his ideology.

    But since you claim there are other factors, lets here them.
    The economy, which is separate from the president or congress. Out sourcing. The movement to hiring more part time employees over full time employees. I usually try to stop at three.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The economy, which is separate from the president or congress. Out sourcing. The movement to hiring more part time employees over full time employees. I usually try to stop at three.
    Of the three you gave...

    1. "Outsourcing" - Probably more a function of a global economy than anything else. If the US isn't going to be competitive in tax rates, and demonize success, I'd leave too.

    2. "The movement to hiring more part time employees over full time employees." - Obamacare is pushing this....

    3. "...." - What was the third?
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So give some specifics! So far all you have done is attack me for asking you to elaborate....I see nothing original in that. Sorry if the truth hurts.
    Take a few minutes, and go back and find where I am attacking you. It didn't happen. If you'd like me to elaborate on something I believe, ask a question. Or keep trying to be an ass and then wonder why people constantly disregard what you say.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Of the three you gave...

    1. "Outsourcing" - Probably more a function of a global economy than anything else. If the US isn't going to be competitive in tax rates, and demonize success, I'd leave too.
    No, outsourcing is driven by consumer demand far more than political policy.

    2. "The movement to hiring more part time employees over full time employees." - Obamacare is pushing this....
    I certainly don't agree with Obamacare, but Obamacare doesn't push hiring part time employees. Businesses have simply found that loophole and they choose to exploit it.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do I believe that Obama policies are the ONLY factors? No.

    Do I believe that Obama policies are NOT helping? Yes.
    That claim I might accept, but how much government needs to help depends on how much you think government is the answer. Government may influence, but doesn't control. Government could, and has quite frankly, do the exact opposite of what either of us think it should, and flourish. Conversely, either one of us could get all we want, as has also happened, and the economy could flounder. Putting too much blame for things thy don't control opens the door for them to take credit when they don't deserve it.

    Btw, I made the exact same argument concerning Bush and the economy. He didn't help either, but he wasn't the cause. Neither is Obama.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    No, outsourcing is driven by consumer demand far more than political policy.
    Disagree. Probably worthy of its own thread though.

    I certainly don't agree with Obamacare, but Obamacare doesn't push hiring part time employees. Businesses have simply found that loophole and they choose to exploit it.
    No, not true...

    The “Affordable Care Act” requires “large” employers – those with 50 or more full-time-equivalent employees – to either provide “qualified” health coverage for all of their full-time employees, or pay an annual penalty of $2,000 per full-time employee (after the first 30) if they don’t provide such coverage. If they do provide coverage but it’s not “affordable,” the penalty is $3,000 per employee who finds it “unaffordable” (with a cap at the penalty they’d pay for not offering coverage at all).

    “Full-time” is defined as 30 hours or more per week, or 120 hours or more per month. (“Affordable” is defined as less than 9.5% of the employee’s family income.)

    The penalty is assessed on a monthly basis. In other words, if an employee works 121 hours in a given calendar month, that 121st hour costs the employer $166.67 (one-twelfth of $2,000), in addition to the employee’s pay for that hour and the payroll tax on that amount. That’s a hefty charge, and it’s much more than the hourly rate typical for part-time employment in most industries.

    If the employer decided to let the employees work more than 30 hours (and pay the penalty), the money to pay the penalty would have to come from somewhere. It could come from reduced profits, higher prices – or lower pay for workers. Many business run at very slim profit margins, so it’s unlikely that they could take the entire hit to their profit and stay in business. Business‘ ability to raise prices is limited by customers’ willingness to pay. Chances are, employees would have to absorb some of the penalty – perhaps most of it – in the form of lower wages.

    Why Obamacare Incentivizes Part-Time Jobs - Forbes
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That claim I might accept, but how much government needs to help depends on how much you think government is the answer. Government may influence, but doesn't control. Government could, and has quite frankly, do the exact opposite of what either of us think it should, and flourish. Conversely, either one of us could get all we want, as has also happened, and the economy could flounder. Putting too much blame for things thy don't control opens the door for them to take credit when they don't deserve it.

    Btw, I made the exact same argument concerning Bush and the economy. He didn't help either, but he wasn't the cause. Neither is Obama.
    Policy does have an effect on business, thus job creation. Do you believe it is helpful when Obama looks to rile his base with class warfare talk, and goes after business as somehow ignoble because they make a profit?
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