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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Which is why health insurance should be insurance, and not pre paid health care.

    Whether the government would be worse is debatable. We still pay more than any nation with government sponsored universal health care.
    That's true but the quality of health care is number one also. Those with money certainly don't got to the UK to get anything serious looked after, or Canada or Cuba. With Obamacare the most noticeable difference will be the decrease in quality. That will naturally be the first to go. The bureaucrats are certainly not going to miss a paycheck.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    References to Fox News and Romney, as if either has had anything to do with the current massive federal deficit. You constantly defend all federal income redistribution programs as "needed" and blame employers for paying low wages for low skilled work. While there are less than 4 million minimum wage workers, there are many, many more that recieve these federal handouts. Simply being born in the USA does not entitle anyone to a "lower middle class" standard of living. Adding a child, while that clearly may double the size of the "family", should not double (or increase at all) one's income for performing the same (or less) work.
    The reference was to the demonization, not to responsibility for.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It may not have started with Obama, but he is making it worse.
    To believe that, you have to largely believe government is the answer. The fact is there is very little government can do about this without having actual control, something neither of us want.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    what a load of BS...If you can't be honest with yourself, then I am not here to be your conscience. To portray that your opponent is constantly inaccurate, while you are the paragon of truth, is just about the most dishonest, arrogant, conceded thing I can think of coming from any poster I have ever read....
    I'll take this as you can't.

    BTW, if someone is inaccurate, it is proper to point it out. Doing so is neither arrogant nor dishonest.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The reference was to the demonization, not to responsibility for.
    OK, yet who is responsible for this income redistribution nonsense? Is it not within one's free speech rights to demonize that nonsense?
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    OK, yet who is responsible for this income redistribution nonsense? Is it not within one's free speech rights to demonize that nonsense?
    Everyone. Benefits to business is also income redistribution. I think the mistake some make is in thinking that redistribution is new. And while free speech is a right, calling it what it is is also a right of free speech. Much of what some conservatives complain of (demonizing, class warfare, redistibution), they are as guilty or more so than those they complain about.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Everyone. Benefits to business is also income redistribution. I think the mistake some make is in thinking that redistribution is new. And while free speech is a right, calling it what it is is also a right of free speech. Much of what some conservatives complain of (demonizing, class warfare, redistibution), they are as guilty or more so than those they complain about.
    Care to cite some examples? I never implied that "conservatives" did not vote for this nonsense as well. I agree 100% that the tax code should be used to raise revenue equally and should not contain social engineering goodies. Two citizens/businesses that make the same income should pay the same amount of taxation. How (and upon who) that income was later spent should have no bearing on taxation. I also strongly believe that nobody (except possibly the disabled/elderly) deserves to share the wages of others via federal income redistribution schemes. You have no right to pop out a kid and then demand that others pay not only to raise that kid but to help pay your bills as well.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's true but the quality of health care is number one also. Those with money certainly don't got to the UK to get anything serious looked after, or Canada or Cuba. With Obamacare the most noticeable difference will be the decrease in quality. That will naturally be the first to go. The bureaucrats are certainly not going to miss a paycheck.
    Funny, but I don't see the USA listed in the top five destinations for medical tourism.

    But, you're right that the UK, Canada, and Cuba don't appear there either.

    Whether the USA has the best health care is highly debatable. Whether it is the most expensive is not.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Care to cite some examples? I never implied that "conservatives" did not vote for this nonsense as well. I agree 100% that the tax code should be used to raise revenue equally and should not contain social engineering goodies. Two citizens/businesses that make the same income should pay the same amount of taxation. How (and upon who) that income was later spent should have no bearing on taxation. I also strongly believe that nobody (except possibly the disabled/elderly) deserves to share the wages of others via federal income redistribution schemes. You have no right to pop out a kid and then demand that others pay not only to raise that kid but to help pay your bills as well.
    While I have no disagreement with much of what you say, I think largely examples like kids popping out are overstated and not representative of the majority, not even close.

    As for examples of wealth distribution:

    The most obvious way that Republicans have robbed from the middle to give to the rich has been the changes they wrought in the tax code — reducing income taxes for the wealthy in the Reagan and George W. Bush tax cuts, and cutting the tax rate on capital gains to less than half the rate on the top income of upper-middle-class employees.

    The less widely understood way that Republicans have helped redistribute wealth to the already wealthy is by changing the rules. Markets don’t function without rules, and the rules that Republican policymakers have made since Ronald Reagan became president have consistently depressed the share of the nation’s income that the middle class can claim.

    Redistributing wealth upward - Washington Post


    Politics based on lobbying stacks the deck against lower-income groups, who are often outmaneuvered.

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    The Founding Fathers were extremely worried about the threat to society posed by corruption and privilege-seeking.

    Drawing on examples going back to antiquity, they understood how unmitigated wealth-taking could create a negative and cumulatively self-reinforcing political dynamic. They also understood that the Constitution — or any constitution — would be an extremely imperfect remedy for this problem.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/bu...tion.html?_r=0

    The Long History Of Redistribution Of Wealth - And Response

    The Long History Of Redistribution Of Wealth - And Response (4) - 10/01/2012 - Chattanoogan.com

    However, we can look at what government has done. Government bailout Walstreet and Banks, virtually none losing big. Working folks lost their homes. GM has had government help more than once. Unions face much more demonization than CEOs from conservatives on the whole.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    While I have no disagreement with much of what you say, I think largely examples like kids popping out are overstated and not representative of the majority, not even close.

    As for examples of wealth distribution:

    The most obvious way that Republicans have robbed from the middle to give to the rich has been the changes they wrought in the tax code — reducing income taxes for the wealthy in the Reagan and George W. Bush tax cuts, and cutting the tax rate on capital gains to less than half the rate on the top income of upper-middle-class employees.

    The less widely understood way that Republicans have helped redistribute wealth to the already wealthy is by changing the rules. Markets don’t function without rules, and the rules that Republican policymakers have made since Ronald Reagan became president have consistently depressed the share of the nation’s income that the middle class can claim.

    Redistributing wealth upward - Washington Post


    Politics based on lobbying stacks the deck against lower-income groups, who are often outmaneuvered.

    (snip)

    The Founding Fathers were extremely worried about the threat to society posed by corruption and privilege-seeking.

    Drawing on examples going back to antiquity, they understood how unmitigated wealth-taking could create a negative and cumulatively self-reinforcing political dynamic. They also understood that the Constitution — or any constitution — would be an extremely imperfect remedy for this problem.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/bu...tion.html?_r=0

    The Long History Of Redistribution Of Wealth - And Response

    The Long History Of Redistribution Of Wealth - And Response (4) - 10/01/2012 - Chattanoogan.com

    However, we can look at what government has done. Government bailout Walstreet and Banks, virtually none losing big. Working folks lost their homes. GM has had government help more than once. Unions face much more demonization than CEOs from conservatives on the whole.
    So these policies, that passed with a lot of demorat support, are now "conservative"? Why were they not "undone" by the mighty Obama - when he had 100% rubber stamp demorat congressional authority (allowing PPACA passage)? You may have yourself convinced that demorat congress critters are not fully into crony capitalism, but I surely am not. Gov't gifts to campaign donors is not a "conservative" idea - it is a universal DC idea.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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