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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The health care system is collapsing under its own weight. Obamacare is just accelerating the process. We spent an average of $8,000 per person on health care before Obamacare. That's $24,000 for a family of four, which has to be over half of the average family income. That sort of expense is not sustainable. Obamacare is not going to fix the basic flaw, which is cost.
    Whether its the government coming between doctor and patient, or insurance providers, the outcome is going to be greater expense for the consumer of health care.. Of course government will be worse.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Fox and Romney?

    What a tired, juvenile response!
    And so is your rebuttal. But, I merely wanted to point to a concrete example of the demonizing I speak of. There is no denying it takes place, and that many on these boards parrot it.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're breakup is distracting and largely incoherent. You seem to be using it to make quips, but not points, so I'm unsure how to proceed.

    However, all the things you listed from sponges (proving my point about demonizing) to lawyers are factually inaccurate. Reining in lawyers through tort reform has been tried in states and failed. All the dancing continues to fail because profit demands profit. As a service that places the one in need at a distinct disadvantage, the market simply can't be used like a market. This why were one of the few market models left.

    And before you go into costs, we pay more than countries with universal health care.

    Also, no one suggests there are no limits. But before I start on the poor and he working class, I'd address other issues and consider other solutions. Fighting fewer needless wars, appeasing business that is only going to out source anyway, and giving money to private business, private schools, and private lending nstitutions.
    You are taking this thread into a debate over Health Care, and War, yet you say I am the one incoherent? Yeah, right.... I break your ramblings into smaller pieces because that is one of the only ways to address your 15 off topic points.

    Look Joe, today we have some 47 million on welfare that's 1 in 5 Americans, we have some 20 million children below the poverty line, also 1 in 5....That points to massive failure from this administration period.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And so is your rebuttal. But, I merely wanted to point to a concrete example of the demonizing I speak of. There is no denying it takes place, and that many on these boards parrot it.
    Oh get off it....You do your fair share of demonizing your political opponents so let's not pretend here.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You are taking this thread into a debate over Health Care, and War, yet you say I am the one incoherent? Yeah, right.... I break your ramblings into smaller pieces because that is one of the only ways to address your 15 off topic points.

    Look Joe, today we have some 47 million on welfare that's 1 in 5 Americans, we have some 20 million children below the poverty line, also 1 in 5....That points to massive failure from this administration period.
    I only answer what I'm giving. You do know things are related, don't you?

    And no, I only ever have but two or three points. Again, sentences build off one another. When you break it to much, you lose meaning and don't gain any anything.

    Do you really believe that poverty started only with this administration? SeriouslY? That's the problem with these debates, they're not serious. Obama simply could not have done anything to create this problem. It takes decades and not merely a few years. And much of it is outside the purview of a president.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh get off it....You do your fair share of demonizing your political opponents so let's not pretend here.
    Feel free to point to anything specific.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Feel free to point to anything specific.
    References to Fox News and Romney, as if either has had anything to do with the current massive federal deficit. You constantly defend all federal income redistribution programs as "needed" and blame employers for paying low wages for low skilled work. While there are less than 4 million minimum wage workers, there are many, many more that recieve these federal handouts. Simply being born in the USA does not entitle anyone to a "lower middle class" standard of living. Adding a child, while that clearly may double the size of the "family", should not double (or increase at all) one's income for performing the same (or less) work.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I only answer what I'm giving. You do know things are related, don't you?

    And no, I only ever have but two or three points. Again, sentences build off one another. When you break it to much, you lose meaning and don't gain any anything.

    Do you really believe that poverty started only with this administration? SeriouslY? That's the problem with these debates, they're not serious. Obama simply could not have done anything to create this problem. It takes decades and not merely a few years. And much of it is outside the purview of a president.
    It may not have started with Obama, but he is making it worse.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Feel free to point to anything specific.
    what a load of BS...If you can't be honest with yourself, then I am not here to be your conscience. To portray that your opponent is constantly inaccurate, while you are the paragon of truth, is just about the most dishonest, arrogant, conceded thing I can think of coming from any poster I have ever read....
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Whether its the government coming between doctor and patient, or insurance providers, the outcome is going to be greater expense for the consumer of health care.. Of course government will be worse.
    Which is why health insurance should be insurance, and not pre paid health care.

    Whether the government would be worse is debatable. We still pay more than any nation with government sponsored universal health care.
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