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    And it Willi never be defeated because of the way poverty is measured.. If people are living better than they ever did before, how is that poverty?
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    To say that "our society creates poverty" is breathtakingly ignorant. In 1776, the U.S. was among the world's poorest nations. In less than two centuries, we became the world's richest nation by a long shot. Americans who today are deemed poor by Census Bureau definitions have more material goods than middle-class people as recently as 60 years ago. Dr. Robert Rector and Rachel Sheffield give us insights in "Understanding Poverty in the United States: Surprising Facts About America's Poor" (9/13/2011). Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. Nearly three-fourths have a car or truck, and 31 percent have two or more. Two-thirds have cable or satellite TV. Half have one or more computers. Forty-two percent own their homes. The average poor American has more living space than the typical non-poor person in Sweden, France or the U.K. Ninety-six percent of poor parents stated that their children were never hungry during the year because they couldn't afford food.

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    The dems have been using this class warfare thing since Andrew Jackson. They will never change that.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Shouldn't there have at least been some progress? As far as I know, the WoP when started was to address a poverty rate of around 12% of the population. Today, the poverty rate is higher than that....Success?
    There has been progress, as few suffer as much as they did then. As for the rate, that is variable, depending on circumstances. Some have been pointing out this coming for sometime. Rules favor business, outsourcing, the gap between wealthy and poor, have helped us get where we are. Like you noted earlier, balance. To compete with India and such, we need to remove health care from business and lower our standard of living, meaning more poor. Balance is lost, and we are out of balance. And your side focuses too much on the people less able to change the tide.

    My side may well be just as myopic, but at least the side we point to has more ability to act now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And it Willi never be defeated because of the way poverty is measured.. If people are living better than they ever did before, how is that poverty?
    This is because of the aid you seek to stop. Absent that aid, they would not be. So, keep things in context. The standard overall is actually lowering. The poor are somewhat better than ever before, and the wealthy likewise, but the middle class, not so much.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There has been progress, as few suffer as much as they did then. As for the rate, that is variable, depending on circumstances. Some have been pointing out this coming for sometime. Rules favor business, outsourcing, the gap between wealthy and poor, have helped us get where we are. Like you noted earlier, balance. To compete with India and such, we need to remove health care from business and lower our standard of living, meaning more poor. Balance is lost, and we are out of balance. And your side focuses too much on the people less able to change the tide.
    Balance is important. Since you want to make this a 'my side'/'your side' argument, I would say that the ability to bring people out of poverty, or at least what we in this country term as such, is stagnant at best. With more focus on federal giveaways, and less on the incorporation of training to move people out of their circumstances on their own is problematic. Also, as a note the further shift of progressive governance in terms of shifting toward nationalizing private industry in this country that totals a full 1/6th of the nations GDP is worrisome. My concern is not that America will continue to be a country that boasts that anyone can make it, to more of a country of lowering all tides to achieve a static level. That's not freedom.

    My side may well be just as myopic, but at least the side we point to has more ability to act now.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There seems to be a difference of opinion in some cases.Administrative Bloat at America’s Colleges and Universities
    I guess I'm confused since I covered Administrative bloat as part of the reason. Are you saying that decreased funding by states to universities has had no impact at all on tuition rates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This is because of the aid you seek to stop. Absent that aid, they would not be. So, keep things in context. The standard overall is actually lowering. The poor are somewhat better than ever before, and the wealthy likewise, but the middle class, not so much.
    The middle class is shrinking because too much wealth is going to the government rather than staying with the people. The Federal government, along with many state governments, is unaffordable. The American people are getting more services and regulations than they need or can afford.

    Were all those trillions the feds remove from the economy to remain with the people the middle class would be thriving. The poor can remain poor, the rich will remain rich and the middle will be the first to decline. It really is no secret, and there should not be any complaints or shock from the leftists. It's inevitable in any economy.

    There is a very good reason why DC and its suburbs are the most wealthy in the nation, despite there being only one resource. That would be the American taxpayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I guess I'm confused since I covered Administrative bloat as part of the reason. Are you saying that decreased funding by states to universities has had no impact at all on tuition rates?
    Perhaps I responded to the wrong post.

    Yes, of course it's had a dramatic effect. Less attention is now being paid to academic achievements it seems and more to the peripherals.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Shouldn't there have at least been some progress? As far as I know, the WoP when started was to address a poverty rate of around 12% of the population. Today, the poverty rate is higher than that....Success?
    You are starting from the wrong point in time, when LBJ got the program rolling in 1964 we had as a nation been seeing the poverty rate reaching levels of over 20%, as recently as the 1950's. Since then the rate has "remained between 11 and 15.2% ever since".
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