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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So conservatives are for increased spending to education beyond k-12? That's news to me. Correct me if I'm wrong by the Ryan budget slashes spending that would go to Pell Grants or other assistance individuals would use to improve their lives.
    No. Seems to me that the rational way to approach the problem in post primary education would be first to reign in the out of control cost of the college system then look at other things.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

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    No. Seems to me that the rational way to approach the problem in post primary education would be first to reign in the out of control cost of the college system then look at other things.
    Hear, hear.

    and a pay as you go plan would bring costs down, as the students (and parents) would look at costs far more closely than they do now.

    It worked when I was in college, back in the dark ages.

    It took just over 71 hours of (my) wages to pay a semester's tuition at a private college, back in '63. How do those numbers look today?
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Hear, hear.

    and a pay as you go plan would bring costs down, as the students (and parents) would look at costs far more closely than they do now.

    It worked when I was in college, back in the dark ages.

    It took just over 71 hours of (my) wages to pay a semester's tuition at a private college, back in '63. How do those numbers look today?
    A lot more than 71 hours of wages, I can tell ya that....I have two in right now....Outside of buying our house, I can't think of anything so expensive...
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No. Seems to me that the rational way to approach the problem in post primary education would be first to reign in the out of control cost of the college system then look at other things.

    I agree..they need to reign in a lot of the spending. A pretty interesting fact...as tuition has ballooned the ratio of administrators have grown compared to the number of actual professors employed. So a large chunk of that money is going to costly expansions, administrators, and other things that don't necessarily result in a better education experience for a tuition payer. So I agree with that.

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    It's also a fact that states have been cutting back on the money they send to state universities so a larger share of the cost for running the university is being shouldered by individuals paying tuition. States as of 2013 are spending on average 28 percent less on state universities than they did in 2008.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I see the problem as something completely different. I see a job market and economy where someone born 60-50-40 years ago could be a mediocre or average person and live a middle class life style.

    Someone entering the market now is faced with a different reality where the difference between good and lower paid jobs is much more severe and the good paying jobs are much more competitive.

    This is supported by trends like a gradual decrease in median wages, a disproporionate gain in low paying service sector jobs compared to decent paying jobs following the recession in 2002 and the most recent recession, as well as the obvious fact that more individuals are now eligible for services based on their income.

    I guess I'm a sucker for explanations based on quantifiable data and trends over assumptions that the poor in this country are growing/worse off because of a lack of ambition/vision/allowing their lives to drift or whatever.
    Part of what we call 'success' in this world is just having more than your neighbor. That could apply to cows in some cultures, or more wives in another.

    For generations Americans have been expecting, through a matter of birthright, to have more riches than other peoples. Now that is no longer the case and they don't seem very comfortable with the thought. The first response is, "Why can't the government do something about it?". But of course, despite their promises, there is nothing they can do. Borrowing and printing more money won't solve the problem, nor will more government programs. Barring trade won't do it either, nor will confiscatory polices on businesses. Many countries of the world, especially in Asia, are developing the initiative and entrepreneurial spirit that once put Americans head and shoulders over the rest of the world.

    So what can be done?

    Only going back to the basics will make America great again, something individual States appear prepared to do but they are being hampered by the sucking morass in Washington. Cut back Washington's influence, like the Founders designed, and there is a chance.

    If not this generation of Americans are going to have to expect less and, in some cases, much less.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I agree..they need to reign in a lot of the spending. A pretty interesting fact...as tuition has ballooned the ratio of administrators have grown compared to the number of actual professors employed. So a large chunk of that money is going to costly expansions, administrators, and other things that don't necessarily result in a better education experience for a tuition payer. So I agree with that.

    But!

    It's also a fact that states have been cutting back on the money they send to state universities so a larger share of the cost for running the university is being shouldered by individuals paying tuition. States as of 2013 are spending on average 28 percent less on state universities than they did in 2008.
    If they cut out athletics in college, what do you think they'd save? Should the professional sports teams pay for the athletic teams in colleges as they benefit from the training these young athletes get?
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    If they cut out athletics in college, what do you think they'd save? Should the professional sports teams pay for the athletic teams in colleges as they benefit from the training these young athletes get?
    Where did the OP mention athletics? He was posting about the administrative growth...
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I agree..they need to reign in a lot of the spending. A pretty interesting fact...as tuition has ballooned the ratio of administrators have grown compared to the number of actual professors employed. So a large chunk of that money is going to costly expansions, administrators, and other things that don't necessarily result in a better education experience for a tuition payer. So I agree with that.
    Isn't that always the way? It is that way in primary ed also...You have a shortage of teachers, but 16 asst superintendents....

    But!
    Always a "but"....

    It's also a fact that states have been cutting back on the money they send to state universities so a larger share of the cost for running the university is being shouldered by individuals paying tuition. States as of 2013 are spending on average 28 percent less on state universities than they did in 2008.
    I wonder how many of these State Universities constantly crying poor mouth have multi million dollar endowments that they just sit on.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Where did the OP mention athletics? He was posting about the administrative growth...
    I was commenting on his post. I wasn't doing anything but having a discussion with him.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I was commenting on his post. I wasn't doing anything but having a discussion with him.
    Athletics had nothing to do with his post...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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