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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I honestly believe that until the consumers in this country and around the world stop supporting business who exploit labor it doesnt matter who we elect.
    There are workers who exploit employers as well.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, and it worked. Obama did away with it.
    Thanks! I should have known.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That might have been a good idea when the country wasn't trillion of dollars in debt, and that debt growing every day. What's happening to all that money? What happened to all those 'shovel ready' jobs that were supposed to be there? Even Obama had to laugh at that joke.

    You're talking as though you want good and responsible government that will balance budgets, maintain the infrastructure, and so on, and then elect a wastrel with no experience whatsoever. What can Americans actually expect from someone like Obama? If you don't vote in serious people you won't have serious government. Instead you wanted celebrity government and now complain about the lack of infrastructure.

    It's hard to have any sympathy.



    Again, the government is $17,000,000,000,000 in debt and that number is growing every day. What are you going to pay all these people with? When a company is broke is their response to hire more people? That only happened in Obamaworld. It's time to get real.

    Where to get the money? Borrow it? Print it?


    They are not used for that purpose but at least you have an idea, albeit a tad unrealistic.

    Great

    Perhaps but they may then be more expensive and further debts created.



    You call them 'welfare subsidies' but, as you know, corporations are leaving, subsidies or no. At one time America was a great place to invest but today, not so much. Instead you should be asking yourself how to attract more business.



    How about spending what they did during the Eisenhower years and diminishing the size of government as well, and returning to the habits of personal responsibilities of the Eisenhower years. The Americans of today are a shadow of what they were during those times so your suggestion is quite impossible. The American character has beome too diminished.



    The conditions in America today are unique to America today. The family is dying out and personal responsibility along with it. People like Barrack Obama claim "Wall Street", "Rich Bankers" or "Corporations" are the villains when it is actually the American people themselves who are to blame. And that weakness is further demonstrated when they whine and complain, like juveniles, that it is all somebody else's fault.

    We're only getting out of debt two ways; raising taxes and creating jobs that will create private sector jobs.

    Think of it like this. For over 35 years this nation has followed the failed economic policies of Reagan. Creating monopolies, getting rid of competition. Then we lowered taxes on the rich. Then we deleted taxes on corporations and cities and towns were giving TAX BREAKS to corporations because all the economic growth by having open market competition in our society stopped and was replaced with a few own it all. THEN we slashed jobs and more jobs and more jobs. And what do you we have? A collapsed economy. We need to get rid of this failed economic thinking and start creating a society FDR did after the LAST depression before we bring us down any further on the quality of life rankings in this world.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I would agree with that if we could ensure that people at least have an opportunity to find steady employment, which today, is not realistic.
    And why do you think it's not realistic today? Why should finding a good paying job that allows for a middle class life on longer be available in the US?
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    A free man can only be "exploited" if he allows himself to be such.
    So conservatives are for increased spending to education beyond k-12? That's news to me. Correct me if I'm wrong by the Ryan budget slashes spending that would go to Pell Grants or other assistance individuals would use to improve their lives.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    That opportunity is steady dwindling. People don't support small business. That makes it harder to succeed. Also the red tape in place of people trying to provide a service or sell something is rediculous.
    Well my business was quite simple, which was selling popcorn at the beach. It took very little to get started and got the money from a family member. Eventually the council shut me down after two years because I wasn't paying property taxes, and I didn't blame them at all.

    Businesses then, as now, were paying ridiculous amounts in taxes and you really had to have a vast amount of entrepreneurial spirit to open your own business in a fixed location. I wouldn't want to start again under the conditions they are placing on small businesses these days. It's not only unfair, it is counterproductive.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well my business was quite simple, which was selling popcorn at the beach. It took very little to get started and got the money from a family member. Eventually the council shut me down after two years because I wasn't paying property taxes, and I didn't blame them at all.

    Businesses then, as now, were paying ridiculous amounts in taxes and you really had to have a vast amount of entrepreneurial spirit to open your own business in a fixed location. I wouldn't want to start again under the conditions they are placing on small businesses these days. It's not only unfair, it is counterproductive.
    What conditions are that?
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Better yet maybe some jobs are not worth $9 per hour...Take N. Dakota for example...My son who works at the Wal Mart around here, makes about $9.50 per hour, while in N. Dakota the same job is hiring at $15 per hour....Wages are fungible with what markets bear for the job. If a business is abusing their pay scale, they won't be in business for long because quality employees will not work for them.
    It's about supply and demand, isn't it? If the labor supply is more limited in ND, then wages will be higher.

    So we could:

    continue to import illegal aliens to take unskilled jobs and low wages, or
    allow the labor supply to diminish to the point that people in those jobs make more money.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    We're only getting out of debt two ways; raising taxes and creating jobs that will create private sector jobs.
    Think of it like this. For over 35 years this nation has followed the failed economic policies of Reagan. Creating monopolies, getting rid of competition.
    In fact, under Reagan, the Dept of justice ended the AT&T monopoly.

    Then we lowered taxes on the rich. Then we deleted taxes on corporations and cities and towns were giving TAX BREAKS to corporations because all the economic growth by having open market competition in our society stopped and was replaced with a few own it all. THEN we slashed jobs and more jobs and more jobs. And what do you we have? A collapsed economy. We need to get rid of this failed economic thinking and start creating a society FDR did after the LAST depression before we bring us down any further on the quality of life rankings in this world.
    FDR didn't create much after the Great Depression. He was President during most of it in fact. While a world war might create jobs there are probably better ways to go about it. If balancing a budget was at all possible it might have given the people enough confidence to hire and invest, but instead the government created more red tape and more anti business policies.

    Getting people to invest in a country, or state, is very competitive, and the federal government has done all they can to discourage investment in America.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What's true is that some people don't have vision, or ambition, and allow their lives to drift. They will always be with us, and there is little anyone can do about it. In a free country you get to live your life your own way and we should not be condemned unless we behave immorally or illegally. I have poor people working for ma at this very moment, but they are certainly not unhappy. Quite the opposite in fact.

    You don't have to be rich or poor to be happy but some people have allowed envy to take over their lives, and unhappiness inevitably follows.
    I see the problem as something completely different. I see a job market and economy where someone born 60-50-40 years ago could be a mediocre or average person and live a middle class life style.

    Someone entering the market now is faced with a different reality where the difference between good and lower paid jobs is much more severe and the good paying jobs are much more competitive.

    This is supported by trends like a gradual decrease in median wages, a disproporionate gain in low paying service sector jobs compared to decent paying jobs following the recession in 2002 and the most recent recession, as well as the obvious fact that more individuals are now eligible for services based on their income.

    I guess I'm a sucker for explanations based on quantifiable data and trends over assumptions that the poor in this country are growing/worse off because of a lack of ambition/vision/allowing their lives to drift or whatever.
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