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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am thinking that not doing away with the time limits on eligibility would be a good start...
    Didn't Clinton and Gingrich once initiate something like that?

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't speak about things you have no clue about...I was there....Bankrupt, lost the house, cars, every thing, and have lived a pretty rough life since the wife and I got married 25 years ago...But, I never blamed others that had more for my problems, instead I found out what I could do to learn a skill, and get to it making money. I take runs when no one else will, and I don't turn down any extra my company offers...As a result, I make a pretty good living now, and have pulled ourselves up on our own, without EVER taking a dime in welfare. How many out there that constantly whine about 'greed, the rich, or inequity' can say the same?
    I am speaking about things I do know about. And yes some people have been able to overcome poverty. But that isnt the point I am making. Neither is that we need more welfare. I am fairly certain that you are confusing and intertwining my argument in with some you have heard ten thousand times from the left.

    But take a look at your situation. When you lost your house, your car, everything. And you went out and learned that trade. What if you still could not find a job out there. How long are you going to let your family sleep in the cold? How long are you going to let your kids go to bed hungry? Without the job you got lucky to find to help you out of the situation you are in you would have been forced to get desperate. You would have been forced to make decisions you may not like. Maybe welfare, maybe crime. But you would have fed your family.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah? And why are we told then that the economy is recovering? It is such BS!
    I have never said, and I certainly don't believe that. Our economy has been in a steady trend down, and the manipulation of numbers doesn't change that for me.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    A good start would be to make a HS education and a steady employment history into a prerequisite for ANY public assistance.
    I would agree with that if we could ensure that people at least have an opportunity to find steady employment, which today, is not realistic.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What a failure progressive policy is....



    Just remember who to blame when this all collapses....
    We already know who to blame, the Republicans. Their economic policies have been the ruin of the middle class and the nations economic growth. Now they are blocking all measures to reduce unemployment which is the cause of the "food stamp boom".
    Typical right wing rhetoric, pass tax breaks to encourage companies to lay off millions of employees to lower wage costs and increase profits and then complain when the laid off workers want to eat. Progressive policy would place a priority on finding jobs for those recipients not demonizing them.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't think you can. It's too late. The American electorate demonstrated in the last election that they were not serious about debt or the future and opted to go deeper in debt and continue the drift.

    Unless the American people act together to get things done, and look to the past as to why they enjoyed such success, then there is little chance of a turnaround.
    I honestly believe that until the consumers in this country and around the world stop supporting business who exploit labor it doesnt matter who we elect.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    We already know who to blame, the Republicans. Their economic policies have been the ruin of the middle class and the nations economic growth. Now they are blocking all measures to reduce unemployment which is the cause of the "food stamp boom".
    What measures are you talking about?
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    When I was out of work I started a small business. There are many opportunities around where other people can do the same. Just look around and imagine.
    That opportunity is steady dwindling. People don't support small business. That makes it harder to succeed. Also the red tape in place of people trying to provide a service or sell something is rediculous.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Didn't Clinton and Gingrich once initiate something like that?
    Yep, and it worked. Obama did away with it.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Those 'poor' are actually getting better off every because they have foreign investment. It is the locals who generally exploit the poor, not the multinationals.
    All these people in third world countries would much rather work for Volvo, Nike, GE, etc. then in one of the sweat shops in their neighborhoods where conditions are really primitive.

    After WW!! Europe was devastated and then communism took over and also made life miserable for much of the world. During that period, until the turn of the last century, the US was No. 1.

    Now with the collapse of communism, and more free enterprise, Europe's recovery etc, there is far more competition then there used to be. Just being American and expecting success because of a circumstance of birth no longer applies. Americans, like everyone else, have to compete , educate themselves and work hard, something they once did better than anyone else anywhere.

    Rather than erecting barriers they can, like everyone else, educate themselves, work harder, and meet the competition head on. This doesn't seem to be a satisfactory idea to many who would prefer shortcuts, but that has always been the only way.
    We can compete with any first world capitalist country, that is not an issue. The problem is second and third world labor as well as Communist labor, we can't compete with that. And while these multinationals may have slightly better conditions and pay than some other opportunities, they are absolutely exploiting the workers, paying as little as they can in order to boost profits. While I support capitalism as the only viable economic system, it is important to understand that capitalism is amoral, society creates the rules and structure which attempt to require a degree of morality within a capitalis system.

    America has the greatest consumer market in the world, for now, but if we continue to outsource jobs to cheap foreign labor, that market will dry up and when it does, it won't matter what kind of protections we try to put on our economy, we will become a second world nation and we WILL BE the cheap labor for the nations we have enriched by giving them unfettered access to our consumer market. Right now, we are engaging in a an economy of cannibalism, we are investing our capital in other nations and sucking the lifes blood of our economy. The multinationals don't care, it is not their job to care, they are just doing their job of maximize shareholder value. It is OUR job to care, and as long as we don't, we are literally killing our own country.

    Unfortunately, mutinationals have enormous political power and a tremendous ability to convince people that this is somehow good for us.

    We can win a trade war now, we won't be able to win a trade war after another ten years of the current policies. For the moment, China needs us more than we need them. What kind of insanity would lead us to believe that we should not press our advantage to keep our advantage rather than acquiescing to the destruction of America?

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