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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It is much more difficult to earn a living now than it was when I was just starting out.
    Having so many earning low wages and making do with part time jobs is a drag on the economy and results in low tax revenues.

    But, just exactly what is it that the federal government should or could do about it? That's the real question.
    Nothing. It should be a market exercise....The problem we have now is too much government meddling.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I am sure that is the sentiment we need to get our country back on track.
    Well since that track is why we are where we are, you might want to consider that might now work out as well for you as you think.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post

    But, just exactly what is it that the federal government should or could do about it? That's the real question.
    It's not about what the government can do, consumers are in control. Companies do what consumers tell them to do. And not verbally, but with our spending.

    If company A can make a $10 item for $3 by moving employment overseas, company B can make that part for $5 by reducing wages, and company C makes the part for $10 but pays their employees well, who are consumers going to buy from? By buying from company A, we are telling other businesses that they need to move production overseas, buying from B we are telling companies to cut wages. Nothing the government does will change that.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    It's not about what the government can do, consumers are in control. Companies do what consumers tell them to do. And not verbally, but with our spending.

    If company A can make a $10 item for $3 by moving employment overseas, company B can make that part for $5 by reducing wages, and company C makes the part for $10 but pays their employees well, who are consumers going to buy from? By buying from company A, we are telling other businesses that they need to move production overseas, buying from B we are telling companies to cut wages. Nothing the government does will change that.
    It's interesting that back when when it was foreign capital AND foreign labor, we had no problem whatsoever with protective policies, but when it is domestic capital and foreign labor, we have a completely different view of protectionist policies.

    The solution to foreign labor is simple is theory, but nearly impossible politically, simply make rules for imports regarding the quality of life of foreign laborers, either the virtual slave conditions would have to improved (at substantial cost that would translate into higher import prices) or tariffs that would do the same.

    There is nothing wrong with saying that we will not financially support exploitation.

    The only other option would be for us American workers to accept conditions such that Chinese workers are forced to accept. Is that what we wish to become?

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    It's interesting that back when when it was foreign capital AND foreign labor, we had no problem whatsoever with protective policies, but when it is domestic capital and foreign labor, we have a completely different view of protectionist policies.

    The solution to foreign labor is simple is theory, but nearly impossible politically, simply make rules for imports regarding the quality of life of foreign laborers, either the virtual slave conditions would have to improved (at substantial cost that would translate into higher import prices) or tariffs that would do the same.

    There is nothing wrong with saying that we will not financially support exploitation.

    The only other option would be for us American workers to accept conditions such that Chinese workers are forced to accept. Is that what we wish to become?
    I agree mostly but I would add a third option. We can, as consumers, make the choice not support those businesses that exploit the poor.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I agree mostly but I would add a third option. We can, as consumers, make the choice not support those businesses that exploit the poor.
    In theory, but the effect of foreign labor and other policies affecting labor work to reduce buying power such that for many they can only afford the foreign products. Another aspect is that SO much of our manufacturing has been outsourced to foreign labor that many products are not even available as made in American.

    Still, wouldn't it be great if online retailers added a filter for American made or brick and mortar retailers put little flags on everything made in America? Of course that would embarass the hell out of Walmart and make Sam Walton spin like a dredel when we could plainly see how few American products Walmart sells.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So Conservatives are against minimum wages that allow people to take care of themselves and against programs that alleviate the pain of low wages. It's amazing that "Go **** youself" Conservatism doesn't gain more traction with the voting public.
    Maybe some workers aren't worth $9 an hour. These will be the first to go, leading to more food stamps, welfare and debt.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe some workers aren't worth $9 an hour. These will be the first to go, leading to more food stamps, welfare and debt.
    Better yet maybe some jobs are not worth $9 per hour...Take N. Dakota for example...My son who works at the Wal Mart around here, makes about $9.50 per hour, while in N. Dakota the same job is hiring at $15 per hour....Wages are fungible with what markets bear for the job. If a business is abusing their pay scale, they won't be in business for long because quality employees will not work for them.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe some workers aren't worth $9 an hour. These will be the first to go, leading to more food stamps, welfare and debt.
    Sure...and what's the conservative answer to your statement? Let them make 5 dollars an hour and try and survive on that?
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I agree mostly but I would add a third option. We can, as consumers, make the choice not support those businesses that exploit the poor.
    Those 'poor' are actually getting better off every because they have foreign investment. It is the locals who generally exploit the poor, not the multinationals.
    All these people in third world countries would much rather work for Volvo, Nike, GE, etc. then in one of the sweat shops in their neighborhoods where conditions are really primitive.

    After WW!! Europe was devastated and then communism took over and also made life miserable for much of the world. During that period, until the turn of the last century, the US was No. 1.

    Now with the collapse of communism, and more free enterprise, Europe's recovery etc, there is far more competition then there used to be. Just being American and expecting success because of a circumstance of birth no longer applies. Americans, like everyone else, have to compete , educate themselves and work hard, something they once did better than anyone else anywhere.

    Rather than erecting barriers they can, like everyone else, educate themselves, work harder, and meet the competition head on. This doesn't seem to be a satisfactory idea to many who would prefer shortcuts, but that has always been the only way.
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