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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    It's ironic that folks on the right who support policies that push wages down (cheap foreign labor, right to work, no minimum wage) and then blame the left, who support labor advantages to keep wages higher, for increased eligibility for food stamps and other welfare programs.

    55% of food stamps recipients are children or seniors and 41% have jobs.

    Only 17% of food stamp recipients are men without jobs.

    Conservative policy can be summed in one sentence. Watch us crush the incomes of the American people and then call them lazy freeloaders when our policy works.
    How did you come to the conclusion that I support Cheap Foreign labor and no minimum wage from my post?

    You say that only 17% of those receiving food stamps are men without jobs. What's so bad about them having to earn some of that aid? Are you telling me there is no trash to pick up off the roadways? No betterment projects they can help out on? Do something besides be a drain on all of us!

    And how about the ladies? How many of them are sitting at home doing nothing all day? How about they help out the community some by working for some of what they get?

    I have no problem with kids, Elderly, Handicap folks getting assistance. Those that can not take care of themselves should get assistance.

    Do you honestly think conservatives want to see people needing welfare? That is among the lamest ideas I have seen on this forum. What good would it do for conservatives to put people on the government dole so we can pay for it. I for one would rather people got off their asses and worked for a living. I do understand folks can fall on hard times and sometimes they are so hard they need a hand. To those people I say how can I help. To those that stand around waiting on the next link payment all the while driving around in better cars than most, living in free housing that they tear to bits, and wearing more expensive clothes than most I say do us all a favor and either get a job or off yourself. I am not in favor of cradle to grave generation to generation of welfare queens working the system and leaving less for those that depend on it to survive.

    If you see that as me being greedy or heartless well I guess you you got me figured out.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    How did you come to the conclusion that I support Cheap Foreign labor and no minimum wage from my post?

    You say that only 17% of those receiving food stamps are men without jobs. What's so bad about them having to earn some of that aid? Are you telling me there is no trash to pick up off the roadways? No betterment projects they can help out on? Do something besides be a drain on all of us!

    And how about the ladies? How many of them are sitting at home doing nothing all day? How about they help out the community some by working for some of what they get?

    I have no problem with kids, Elderly, Handicap folks getting assistance. Those that can not take care of themselves should get assistance.

    Do you honestly think conservatives want to see people needing welfare? That is among the lamest ideas I have seen on this forum. What good would it do for conservatives to put people on the government dole so we can pay for it. I for one would rather people got off their asses and worked for a living. I do understand folks can fall on hard times and sometimes they are so hard they need a hand. To those people I say how can I help. To those that stand around waiting on the next link payment all the while driving around in better cars than most, living in free housing that they tear to bits, and wearing more expensive clothes than most I say do us all a favor and either get a job or off yourself. I am not in favor of cradle to grave generation to generation of welfare queens working the system and leaving less for those that depend on it to survive.

    If you see that as me being greedy or heartless well I guess you you got me figured out.
    And create MORE unemloyment and MORE food stamps? I thought you wanted food stamps to end. If you give slave labor to corporations and the government, won't that just increase the food stamp needs? How about creating government jobs so people have good incomes to buy things that will create private sector jobs?

    What's wrong with that?
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    And create MORE unemloyment and MORE food stamps? I thought you wanted food stamps to end. If you give slave labor to corporations and the government, won't that just increase the food stamp needs? How about creating government jobs so people have good incomes to buy things that will create private sector jobs?

    What's wrong with that?
    That's a great idea. Everyone should work for the government and we'll all be rich!

    Why didn't anyone think of that before?

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    It's ironic that folks on the right who support policies that push wages
    down (cheap foreign labor, right to work, no minimum wage) and then blame the left, who support labor advantages to keep wages higher, for increased eligibility for food stamps and other welfare programs.

    55% of food stamps recipients are children or seniors and 41% have jobs.

    Only 17% of food stamp recipients are men without jobs.

    Conservative policy can be summed in one sentence. Watch us crush the incomes of the American people and then call them lazy freeloaders when our policy works.
    That's not Conservative policy, thats nonsense.

    And show me one Lib policy thats "worked" because right now after 4 years the best "your policies" can do is prop up a Stock market with printed currency.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    And create MORE
    unemloyment and MORE food stamps? I thought you wanted food stamps to end. If you give slave labor to corporations and the government, won't that just increase the food stamp needs? How about creating government jobs so people have good incomes to buy things that will create private sector jobs?

    What's wrong with that?
    Nothing, it worked great in Greece.

    Actually it's wrong in the principle Liberal assumption that we can borrow and spend our way out of a recession. Not too metion public sector Unions and their tendency for squeezing every spare penny out of the tax payers for unsustainable benefits.

    I mean if Obama hasn't pushed for it then there is somethung REALLY wrong it.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    And create MORE unemloyment and MORE food stamps? I thought you wanted food stamps to end. If you give slave labor to corporations and the government, won't that just increase the food stamp needs? How about creating government jobs so people have good incomes to buy things that will create private sector jobs?

    What's wrong with that?
    How is it slave labor when you can CHOOSE to get an actually job? Last I knew slaves didn't have much of a choice in whether or not they would work.

    Smaller Government is something I believe in and adding more employee's to the Government is not something I can back. My taxes are plenty high enough as it is.

    How about we get the government down in size and get out of the way so we Citizens can create jobs.

    I have seen plenty of your posts and I can tell you now this is not a topic we will agree on.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's a great idea. Everyone should work for the government and we'll all be rich!

    Why didn't anyone think of that before?
    Why is it the right wing can't answer the questions put forth. Why do you guys always change what is said? Seriously.

    Why is not creating government jobs at good wages a good idea?

    Would this not help stimulate the consumption of goods and services and then create more private sector jobs?

    What do you think would create more jobs in the nation?
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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    How is it slave labor when you can CHOOSE to get an actually job? Last I knew slaves didn't have much of a choice in whether or not they would work.

    Smaller Government is something I believe in and adding more employee's to the Government is not something I can back. My taxes are plenty high enough as it is.

    How about we get the government down in size and get out of the way so we Citizens can create jobs.

    I have seen plenty of your posts and I can tell you now this is not a topic we will agree on.
    Delusions. Do you really think that once corporations control every aspect of our lives that your taxes won't go up? It costs three times the cost to run a private prison as it did a federal and state prison and prisoners were rehabilitated and not as dangerous as they are now when they are set back out in society. We even afforded mental health facilities and people who needed medication to behave normally were not roaming our streets and filling our prisons.

    Your taxes are too low. Our bridges are falling down, our road in a shamble, our educational system has gone from being number one in the world in the late 1970's to now being about 27th in the world. Our health care is a joke with our corporate costs and the republcians want to go back to uninsuring MORE Americans and letting insurance companies take money only from the healthy.

    Slave labor are the wages and lack of health insurance. You can't live on what you're paid anymore and the wages keep going down in value as the price of gas goes up, groceries go up, rent goes up, housing goes up, utilities go up. That's slave wages. When wages provide for a person to live on their own, have good health care coverage, go on vacations, have money to set aside in a savings account, then we have a good wage system in the US. You want to settle for less, that's fine. But MOST in this nation are TIRED of the rich getting richer and taking from and destroying the middle class to do it. Don't like big government? Me neither. I thought Bush's creation of Homeland Security was nothing but waste to help the MIC get more money and I was right. But it's going to be big no matter what. And the republicans make it bigger by passing laws protecting corporations and treating American workers, and families, like corporate slaves.

    We either create more government jobs and stop the republcian slashing and deleting of middle class pay, or we become the third world nation the republicans want so children can work 12 hour days for $1.50. It's happened before. Your inability to know economic history isn't going to alter it.
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Nothing, it worked great in Greece.

    Actually it's wrong in the principle Liberal assumption that we can borrow and spend our way out of a recession. Not too metion public sector Unions and their tendency for squeezing every spare penny out of the tax payers for unsustainable benefits.

    I mean if Obama hasn't pushed for it then there is somethung REALLY wrong it.


    What a rant and rave on anti-unions and government. Seems you on the right LOVE big government when it benefits corporations. All that money spent on Homeland security just to help out the MIC getting more money for more weapons on our streets.

    And you LOVE big government when it comes to interfering in personal lives of people. Let's have abortion police monitor when a woman buys a pregnancy test and then follow her see if she's going to have an abortion.

    And you LOVE big government when it comes to rah rah two wars and get them middle easterners and spend all that money sending troops overseas and building 750 bases in 36 countries to protect corporate interests abroad. Yeah, SPEND that big government money helping the rich get bigger.

    Tell you what, when you practice what you preach on the right, we can have a discussion about small government and less spending. Until then, all we have are differences on where we think big government should be put helping out our nation grown.
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    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Delusions. Do you really think that once corporations control every aspect of our lives that your taxes won't go up? It costs three times the cost to run a private prison as it did a federal and state prison and prisoners were rehabilitated and not as dangerous as they are now when they are set back out in society. We even afforded mental health facilities and people who needed medication to behave normally were not roaming our streets and filling our prisons.

    Your taxes are too low. Our bridges are falling down, our road in a shamble, our educational system has gone from being number one in the world in the late 1970's to now being about 27th in the world. Our health care is a joke with our corporate costs and the republcians want to go back to uninsuring MORE Americans and letting insurance companies take money only from the healthy.

    Slave labor are the wages and lack of health insurance. You can't live on what you're paid anymore and the wages keep going down in value as the price of gas goes up, groceries go up, rent goes up, housing goes up, utilities go up. That's slave wages. When wages provide for a person to live on their own, have good health care coverage, go on vacations, have money to set aside in a savings account, then we have a good wage system in the US. You want to settle for less, that's fine. But MOST in this nation are TIRED of the rich getting richer and taking from and destroying the middle class to do it. Don't like big government? Me neither. I thought Bush's creation of Homeland Security was nothing but waste to help the MIC get more money and I was right. But it's going to be big no matter what. And the republicans make it bigger by passing laws protecting corporations and treating American workers, and families, like corporate slaves.

    We either create more government jobs and stop the republcian slashing and deleting of middle class pay, or we become the third world nation the republicans want so children can work 12 hour days for $1.50. It's happened before. Your inability to know economic history isn't going to alter it.
    I disagree with pretty much everything you have written except the cost of prison's, which I am not sure how we got on the subject of. I would also agree that the republican's are doing no better of a job shrinking the Government.

    I have all those things you mentioned as do most of the productive people I know, and with the exception of a couple none of us are rich. We live within our means and save what we can. We take responsibility for us and our's. Listen I used to work jobs that paid little and had no benefits. Those jobs were never intended to sustain a family with all of the perks. They were intended to be a place to start. Once I landed a job I started looking for a better one and so on. I worked my rear end off and people noticed. I moved up and then moved on when a better opportunity came along. Everyone I know has done the same. If we can do it so can the rest. You say Most are tired of the rich getting richer I say the are either striving to get to the same place or jealous they do not have the same work ethic.

    Government jobs are not the answer. My Taxes are too high and the Rebulicans are not out to rid the world of the Middle Class.

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