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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    $80B/year is not a small amount...
    Sure ain't, but add up corporate welfare, subsidies, and bailouts and let me know which number is bigger.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Sure ain't, but add up corporate welfare, subsidies, and bailouts and let me know which number is bigger.
    I didn't agree with any of the bailouts, and I'm really tired of the corporate welfare crap when, if we weren't taxing those providing employment for US citizens, it wouldn't exist...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm telling you that if someone wants a job they can find one,
    Oh, I heard you alright.

    And you had all of your personal little anecdote about your yard and your house to back up that point.

    but we have created an environment in this country where it is expected the government provide the basics if a person chooses not to do so for themselves.
    Yup, that's what food stamps are for. All $200 of them.

    Self interest is the most powerful of human instincts,
    Exactly, which is why it's in one's interest to get food stamps when they can't find work.

    Of course, it's also in society's interest too.

    and if this interest i satisfactorily provided by someone else, why better one's self?
    ...To get off of food stamps, and to have more "things" in life? A bigger house? Two cars? Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3?

    The government has managed to destroy this in many through its "benevolence"...
    Not quite, as despite the increase in the number of people on food stamps, the number of people looking for work is till pretty damn high.

    Almost as if the food stamps aren't a detriment at all. Damn that evil government, keeping people alive when it should be letting them die in the street.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm telling you that if someone wants a job they can find one, but we have created an environment in this country where it is expected the government provide the basics if a person chooses not to do so for themselves. Self interest is the most powerful of human instincts, and if this interest i satisfactorily provided by someone else, why better one's self? The government has managed to destroy this in many through its "benevolence"...
    The problem, to me, is that it's circular and expansionary. You provide free money to losers, which causes more people to want to become losers, which causes the government to steal from winners to support more losers, which causes more winners to become losers, which causes more money to be taken from winners.

    It's the same reason behind why socialism and communism fail every time out of the gate. Let's say you have a farm with 100 workers each farming 100 units of something. One person decides to quit. Now, you went from 10,000 units to 9,900 units. Split evenly amongst everyone (including the one who refuses to work), everyone's return went from 100 to 99 units. Think about that. Someone foregoes 100% of work and loses 1% of output. That is why socialism fails, and that's why guys like babil prop this system up. He wants to quit working and trade 100% of labor for 1% of return.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    Oh, I heard you alright.
    Hearing is different than listening. Try comprehending at some stage in your life...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm afraid it is that simple.
    You'd have to be awful simple-minded to think that.

    I bet you don't think of yourself as simple-minded, and I don't want to either. So don't think like that.

    You can't very well be benevolent when you act in such a fashion.
    But you can, I just explained how it's a benevolent act.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Hearing is different than listening. Try comprehending at some stage in your life...
    Great rebuttal. Will have to do it again sometime, maybe when you have an argument that's actually defensible and not ridiculous conservative rhetoric.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Given all the foreign aid, corporate subsidies, corporate welfare, and bailouts we provide...food stamps seem maybe like they are on the bottom of the list of things to cut first.
    Not if that costs you campaign cash.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    Depends on whether they can afford it and what use it's being put to.

    Of course, it's never as simple as "OMG, you robbed Peter!!!"
    Especially not when given (by yourself) the option to borrow or print the funds.

    What is largely ignored is that 40% of what the federal gov't now spends on Peter is beyond what they dare ask of Paul.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    You'd have to be awful simple-minded to think that.

    I bet you don't think of yourself as simple-minded, and I don't want to either. So don't think like that

    But you can, I just explained how it's a benevolent act.
    You seem to wish to ignore how the party is behaving to reach an end you find desirable all so you can believe you are dealing with benevolence. I'm sorry, but when you must abuse someone in order to help someone else that is not benevolence. You can not simply ignore the equation so you can declare the ends a good.

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