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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    I'm part of the solution. While many of my friends use foodstamps, I've decided not to. I figure that it would only go towards beer and cigs for my friends. After all, I'm not starving or lacking a blanket at night. I know that subsidizing my budget would only provide luxuries.

    But if you guys piss me off, Ima take 'em and spend it on hookers and booze!

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post



    Just remember who to blame when this all collapses....

    You all have been saying that for over 5 years now. As much as you would love to see the US collapse, it's not going to happen at all.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    The question is no how many or how few are taking food stamps or any ther welfare, but how real the need is. And shouldn't someone o a fair, verifiable, proper study on how much is really fraud or abuse? Wouldn't that be more productive?

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The question is no how many or how few are taking food stamps or any ther welfare, but how real the need is. And shouldn't someone o a fair, verifiable, proper study on how much is really fraud or abuse? Wouldn't that be more productive?
    The entire concept is whacked, trying to create a "living wage" by gov't fiat. You must expect non-disabled people to live on their income, not automagically expand their income, via gov't forced income redistribution schemes, to accomodate their "needs". Two citizens, working side by side at the same job, should not have their "fair compensation", for that same labor, be gov't determined by their chosen "cost of living", or the number of dependents that they choose to share it with. From each according to their ability (to pay taxes), to each according to their need (for free stuff) - is an insane public policy.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The question is no how many or how few are taking food stamps or any ther welfare, but how real the need is. And shouldn't someone o a fair, verifiable, proper study on how much is really fraud or abuse? Wouldn't that be more productive?
    I tend to agree with this, if I understand you correctly. I believe most of the expansion of the program isn't so much a larger need, but rather an expansion of how we define "need".
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The entire concept is whacked, trying to create a "living wage" by gov't fiat. You must expect non-disabled people to live on their income, not automagically expand their income, via gov't forced income redistribution schemes, to accomodate their "needs". Two citizens, working side by side at the same job, should not have their "fair compensation", for that same labor, be gov't determined by their chosen "cost of living", or the number of dependents that they choose to share it with. From each according to their ability (to pay taxes), to each according to their need (for free stuff) - is an insane public policy.
    I think you make a couple of assumptions that are not quite true. Having ability isn't equal to success, even where there is high effort. Where there s no concept if fairness, there is a certainty of things being unfair. There are reasons, real and valid reasons why unions and welfare developed. Left to their own devices business didn't in fact abuse, regardless of ability.

    That said, it s possible to go too far the other way. I do believe in balance. The question is how do we measure that?

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I tend to agree with this, if I understand you correctly. I believe most of the expansion of the program isn't so much a larger need, but rather an expansion of how we define "need".
    That may be true, and if so, that should be easy to show. So I think we do agree.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The entire concept is whacked, trying to create a "living wage" by gov't fiat. You must expect non-disabled people to live on their income, not automagically expand their income, via gov't forced income redistribution schemes, to accomodate their "needs". Two citizens, working side by side at the same job, should not have their "fair compensation", for that same labor, be gov't determined by their chosen "cost of living", or the number of dependents that they choose to share it with. From each according to their ability (to pay taxes), to each according to their need (for free stuff) - is an insane public policy.

    Exactly. As I showed in another thread discussing social democracies, the Scandinavian model of setting a "living" wage has only led to a cost of living in those countries up to 70% higher than the US.

    Give everyone a million dollars and bread would cost a grand. Progress!

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What a failure progressive policy is....



    Just remember who to blame when this all collapses....

    That's nothing compared to the increases in income among the top 1% - I won't call them earners because many of them don't work.

    Obama and the Tea Party congress has been very good to the wealthy.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Since the alternative to a living wage is a dying wage, we can see immediately where the right comes from on this. In a crashed economy where there are no jobs, or at least far fewer jobs than workers, then without welfare those having no work, starve.
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