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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    I don't think it's a disdain for the poor that causes them to continually loose national elections. It's a total and complete lack of understanding as to what causes someone to be poor, and the challenges that face anyone trying to get out of poverty. The impression I have always gotten from people born into wealth, is that think anyone is not wealthy, doesn't work hard enough and is lazy. It's truly a sad commentary on the disconnect between the socio economics status in this country.

    Those who are born into wealth tend to be progressive and call themselves Democrats. Conservatives are usually the newly wealthy and fell they earned it given the roadblocks and other deterrents that the Old Wealth (the Progressive Democrats) have put in placed to avoid newly rich people from making it. Now the Conservatives may be self driven and may not understand why others are not. Having a welfare system is the way the Old Wealth keeps the impoverished from rioting and as a means of a base of power against the New Wealth and uses the New Wealth as a scapegoat to blame for the policies and outcomes of the Old Wealth. Also, Old Wealth doesn't have the same drive as the New Wealth so they would not think it odd that someone would not necessarily have the means to get out of poverty so again Old Wealth would lean progressive and be more likely become Democrat.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Those who are born into wealth tend to be progressive and call themselves Democrats. Conservatives are usually the newly wealthy and fell they earned it given the roadblocks and other deterrents that the Old Wealth (the Progressive Democrats) have put in placed to avoid newly rich people from making it. Now the Conservatives may be self driven and may not understand why others are not. Having a welfare system is the way the Old Wealth keeps the impoverished from rioting and as a means of a base of power against the New Wealth and uses the New Wealth as a scapegoat to blame for the policies and outcomes of the Old Wealth. Also, Old Wealth doesn't have the same drive as the New Wealth so they would not think it odd that someone would not necessarily have the means to get out of poverty so again Old Wealth would lean progressive and be more likely become Democrat.
    Warren buffet wasn't born rich.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Is a policy a failure if it keeps you in political power and is "paid for" with money borrowed in the names of others? Income redistribution is perfect (politically) since you use other people's money to buy your votes. As long as enough morons believe that they can get "free" stuff by forcing others to pay their "fair share" then this is unstopable.
    But here's the thing.

    It's also considered income redistribution to limit corporate executive pay so that corporations will have higher cash reserves that they can use either to purchase better equipment, hire more employees, or pay current employees higher wages. And all of those would make more jobs available for people to get hired to so they don't have to be on welfare.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    Warren buffet wasn't born rich.
    People at the level of Warren Buffet tend to be king makers and use their position as influence. He does believe that people should be working per Wikipedia.

    Warren Buffett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The following quotation from 1988 highlights Warren Buffett's thoughts on his wealth and why he long planned to re-allocate it:
    I don't have a problem with guilt about money. The way I see it is that my money represents an enormous number of claim checks on society. It's like I have these little pieces of paper that I can turn into consumption. If I wanted to, I could hire 10,000 people to do nothing but paint my picture every day for the rest of my life. And the GDP would go up. But the utility of the product would be zilch, and I would be keeping those 10,000 people from doing AIDS research, or teaching, or nursing. I don't do that though. I don't use very many of those claim checks. There's nothing material I want very much. And I'm going to give virtually all of those claim checks to charity when my wife and I die. (Lowe 1997:165–166)
    He has his own views about money and fairness but is the views of just one man I was giving a general principal from the point of views of why newly wealth people might not understand the reasoning that those on welfare do not strive to get out of it strongly.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    But here's the thing.

    It's also considered income redistribution to limit corporate executive pay so that corporations will have higher cash reserves that they can use either to purchase better equipment, hire more employees, or pay current employees higher wages. And all of those would make more jobs available for people to get hired to so they don't have to be on welfare.
    Nonsense. Take the Walmart CEO annual pay of about $18,000,000, and divide it among the 2,000,000 other Walmart employees and each would get a whopping extra $9/year.

    On average a large US corp. CEO makes about what 400 of his "typical" employees make.

    Fortune 500 2012 - CEO pay vs. our salaries - FORTUNE on CNNMoney.com
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What a failure progressive policy is....
    How is this a failure of progressive policy? The market clearly doesn't provide enough people with the means to feed themselves, so the government steps in to ensure people are making ends meet and aren't starving in the street, having to choose between paying the rent/electricity/phone bill and having enough sustenance.

    Honestly, how is this anything but an example of the benevolence of a government that will step in when people would otherwise suffer needlessly?

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    How is this a failure of progressive policy? The market clearly doesn't provide enough people with the means to feed themselves, so the government steps in to ensure people are making ends meet and aren't starving in the street, having to choose between paying the rent/electricity/phone bill and having enough sustenance.

    Honestly, how is this anything but an example of the benevolence of a government that will step in when people would otherwise suffer needlessly?
    If one cannot provide for the most basic of needs for his/her self, yes, that is a failure, and the government supports that failure by providing it for him/her...
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    If one cannot provide for the most basic of needs for his/her self, yes, that is a failure
    Unless despite all of their hardwork and discipline, there just aren't enough jobs to go around.

    Then it's bad luck.

    and the government supports that failure by providing it for him/her...
    ...

    Yes, I see your point. If someone falls on hard times, the best option we have as a society is to simply let them die in the streets.

    That isn't a viewpoint only the most misanthropic or a sociopath individuals would support.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    How is this a failure of progressive policy? The market clearly doesn't provide enough people with the means to feed themselves, so the government steps in to ensure people are making ends meet and aren't starving in the street, having to choose between paying the rent/electricity/phone bill and having enough sustenance.

    Honestly, how is this anything but an example of the benevolence of a government that will step in when people would otherwise suffer needlessly?
    lol, Government causes a problem and blames the market to get a program (power) that exacerbates the problem to further justify growing the program...

    Much like their involvement in healthcare, lets make it so costly everyone will demand universal healthcare while blaming the market!
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by babilfish View Post
    How is this a failure of progressive policy? The market clearly doesn't provide enough people with the means to feed themselves, so the government steps in to ensure people are making ends meet and aren't starving in the street, having to choose between paying the rent/electricity/phone bill and having enough sustenance.

    Honestly, how is this anything but an example of the benevolence of a government that will step in when people would otherwise suffer needlessly?
    My God...did you really just use the words "benevolence of a government"?

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