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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    It sounds to me, and I may be wrong about your intention, but it seems you want to punish the lot, for actions of a few. From my experiences, there is nothing a poor mother wants then to get her kid out of poverty and ensure they get a better life. Obviously, you will have exceptions to that, but I don't think this lazy attitude you highlight is as rampant as you think. The people I have worked with over the years, want nothing more then to be able to provide for their families, and give back to their communities. This is just a viewpoint I pulled out my optimistic, liberal head. I can put names and faces to the people who actively work hard to help the next generation out of poverty and into productivity.

    Is the system flawed? Yes. Should their be an emphasis on short term assistance? Yes. Is there an incredible need for reformation of these programs? ABSOLUTELY. However, just writing off an entire socio economic class as lazy, entitled, scam artist, is disengenous at best. I have no problem seeing that the people you describe exist and should be addressed. I just don't believe the rhetoric and the stereotypes that claim all people benefiting from entitlements fall under that category.
    Put out both of your hands.

    Now, "want" in this one, and...

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

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    I'm not ignoring anything, but you seem to be content simply throwing stones to see if you can hit anything. How would you suggest we improve the situation that would create jobs for those that want to work, and what would you suggest we do if the jobs were available and some still chose not to work?


    Suggestions?? You wont like them. But for one, how about paying people a decent wage.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Suggestions?? You wont like them. But for one, how about paying people a decent wage.
    What is a decent wage? If you want unskilled labor to be paid more than the current market supports, you'll simply end up sending more jobs overseas...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Put out both of your hands.

    Now, "want" in this one, and...
    Well that's not rude, disrespectful or unproductive, now is it?
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Suggestions?? You wont like them. But for one, how about paying people a decent wage.
    I'd love to see your definition of a "decent wage".

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Suggestions?? You wont like them. But for one, how about paying people a decent wage.
    In a price driven market where the top consideration for what people buy is price, how can this be justified? In order for a company to pay higher wages, they would have to raise their prices, and even with our current wages American made products are struggling to compete. Until Americans, and the rest of the world, stop encouraging exploiting the poor the "decent wage" idea has a nice ring to it but cannot be a reality.
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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Well that's not rude, disrespectful or unproductive, now is it?
    All I'm saying is that the word is inapplicable.

    I instantly dismiss arguments that use words like "want", "wish", "fair", "should", etc.

    I live in a reality, not in a fantasy. I'm more concerned with how things are, not how I want them to be. I'd love to ride my flying unicorn to my money trees in Hawaii while I lick whipped cream off Jessica Alba's nicely bronzed rack before throwing the ball on the beach with Tom Brady. However, I'm not going to vote on any of those ideals.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    All I'm saying is that the word is inapplicable.

    I instantly dismiss arguments that use words like "want", "wish", "fair", "should", etc.

    I live in a reality, not in a fantasy. I'm more concerned with how things are, not how I want them to be. I'd love to ride my flying unicorn to my money trees in Hawaii while I lick whipped cream off Jessica Alba's nicely bronzed rack before throwing the ball on the beach with Tom Brady. However, I'm not going to vote on any of those ideals.
    And yet you generalize people based on stereotypes, rhetoric and assumption. That doesn't sound like reality to me.
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    And yet you generalize people based on stereotypes, rhetoric and assumption. That doesn't sound like reality to me.
    How do you think stereotypes become stereotypes, sweetheart?

    Is every welfare mother out there worthless? No. Some fell on bad breaks and didn't have kids they knowingly couldn't afford. However, there's no realistic way to "sift through" everyone and determine who falls into which pile.

    I'd offer fair alternatives. Large, extensive halfway houses where they can all live and get necessary help. Sort of like the YWCA - they can get a small room, share bathrooms, get free child care while they go out for jobs, etc. They can take advantage of food given out there like it'd be given at any homeless shelter.

    What I'm against is just giving people money for the sake of giving them money. Don't subsidize their housing, don't give them indeterminate money and say it's earmarked for food, etc. They lost the ability to choose, and the right to be picky, when they got on the government dole. Make welfare minimum, humiliating, and useful only when absolutely necessary.

    Don't give them money. Give them hope. Give them opportunity. However, give them only what they'll work for. If they meet you halfway, awesome - help them out. If not, corral them like cattle and give them just enough to live to the next day, because they deserve nothing more.

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    Re: Food-stamp use doubles

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    How do you think stereotypes become stereotypes, sweetheart?
    Please don't patronize me. There is no reason in the world for you to call me sweetheart other then to be demeaning is some capacity. It doesn't make what your saying true. The stereotypes have been around for decades. Just because you repeat something enough doesn't make it true. It makes it a common miss perception.

    Is every welfare mother out there worthless? No. Some fell on bad breaks and didn't have kids they knowingly couldn't afford. However, there's no realistic way to "sift through" everyone and determine who falls into which pile.

    I'd offer fair alternatives. Large, extensive halfway houses where they can all live and get necessary help. Sort of like the YWCA - they can get a small room, share bathrooms, get free child care while they go out for jobs, etc. They can take advantage of food given out there like it'd be given at any homeless shelter
    Now, this is an actual statement with substance! I actually love this idea and have advocated it myself. However, the trouble I run across in practicality is the cost. Can you implement a system like that, with the same allocation of funds the current system has? The argument you into is, no and we shouldn't anyway, because it's a waste of tax payer money. How logistically, do you restructure funding, and get the people who truly believe the poor are just lazy on board with that kind of a system?

    The problem I see, is when the argument shifts to the merits of the recipients, you have a problem. Because the narrative from the right promotes the stereotype about poverty that deems them worthless and lazy, it makes it difficult to discuss. That type of narrative drives an invalid perception of the poor, that makes people think they aren't worth helping. The kinds of stereotypes you yourself promoted here. How does a national discussion about that kind of reform, if one side doesn't acknowledge it's worth reforming?
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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