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    CPAC chair: Christie didn't 'deserve' an invite this year

    CPAC chair: Christie didn't 'deserve' an invite this year - First Read

    American Conservative Union chairman Al Cardenas spoke briefly with reporters ahead of the beginning of the CPAC conference -- explaining why he didn't invite New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and insisting that the GOP is "not a home for everybody."

    As the conference opens, the GOP's identity crisis -- expand the tent, or try to convince more people to crowd under what's already built -- is on sharp display.

    "I'm a firm believer that if the Republican Party's going to have success, it's going to do so by being a conservative party and not a home for ah, for everybody," Cardenas said. "And that's how you grow. I mean, look, you grow your tent by convincing others, and persuading others, that yours is the way, and you build your tent by reaching out to the new demographics of America not with a watered down version of who we ought to be but with a true, real, solid version of who we are."

    Cardenas also repeated explanations for why the conference hadn't invited New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie to speak at the event.

    "This year, for better or for worse, we felt like, ah, like he didn't deserve to be on the all-star selection, ah, and, for decisions that he made. And so hopefully next year he's back on the right track and being a conservative," Cardenas said. "He's a popular figure, but everyone needs to live by the parameters of the movement."
    The bit in bold particularly bothers me. Everyone needs to "live by the parameters of the movement"? Does that include individuals who are not conservative and who do not desire to live like a conservative lives? I thought individualism was a conservative trait (not that our conservatives would know authentic individualism if it punched them in the nose)? How far is Cardenas willing to go to force others to "live by the parameters of the movement"?

    At any rate, demanding ideological purity certainly is not convincing. I'm one of those rarities who do not believe that any ideology actually correlates to reality one-to-one, and that the mark of a successful ideology is how well it adapts itself to the conditions of material reality, what it can trade off and where it can hold firm. An insistence on purity makes me less convinced, not more.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

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    The bit in bold particularly bothers me. Everyone needs to "live by the parameters of the movement"? Does that include individuals who are not conservative and who do not desire to live like a conservative lives? I thought individualism was a conservative trait (not that our conservatives would know authentic individualism if it punched them in the nose)? How far is Cardenas willing to go to force others to "live by the parameters of the movement"?

    At any rate, demanding ideological purity certainly is not convincing. I'm one of those rarities who do not believe that any ideology actually correlates to reality one-to-one, and that the mark of a successful ideology is how well it adapts itself to the conditions of material reality, what it can trade off and where it can hold firm. An insistence on purity makes me less convinced, not more.

    You do realize that CPAC stands for Conservative Political Action Conference? It is not LPAC for Liberal Political Action Conference, or RPAC for Rino Political Action Conference.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do realize that CPAC stands for Conservative Political Action Conference, not LPAC for Liberal Political Action Conference, or RPAC for Rino Political Action Conference?
    I deny, first of all, that the flavor of conservatism promoted by CPAC is the only kind of conservatism possible (it isn't), that Christie isn't a conservative (he'd be a firm conservative anywhere else in the world), or that the conservatism of CPAC is even a particularly useful kind of 'conservatism'.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I deny, first of all, that the flavor of conservatism promoted by CPAC is the only kind of conservatism possible (it isn't), that Christie isn't a conservative (he'd be a firm conservative anywhere else in the world), or that the conservatism of CPAC is even a particularly useful kind of 'conservatism'.
    Or that the neo-conservatism proposed by the Republican Party is even remotely conservative, it's fundamentalist Christian liberalism. I like Chris Christie to some degree, I think being declared not to be RINO quality is a good thing.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do realize that CPAC stands for Conservative Political Action Conference? It is not LPAC for Liberal Political Action Conference, or RPAC for Rino Political Action Conference.
    Christie is a Conservative. He may not be ideologically "pure" in the eyes of some. Frankly, I don't get it. He said something nice about President Obama. I suppose he could have punched Obama in the face, but it would seem he's not an asshole.

    Romney got an invite. Are you telling me that Romney is "pure?" (Romneycare....)

    This quest for ideological purity is not going to help the Republican party. They need to get back to the "big tent" that they used to have, but there seems to be this Quixotic quest to make it smaller.


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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    I'm looking forward to CPAC for the comedy factor. It'll be a hoot!. Youbetcha!

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I deny, first of all, that the flavor of conservatism promoted by CPAC is the only kind of conservatism possible (it isn't), that Christie isn't a conservative (he'd be a firm conservative anywhere else in the world), or that the conservatism of CPAC is even a particularly useful kind of 'conservatism'.
    I am sure that to a lefty like you any righter than you is a conservative. But the fact is its CPAC,not LPAC or RPAC.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    I deny, first of all, that the flavor of conservatism promoted by CPAC is the only kind of conservatism possible (it isn't), that Christie isn't a conservative (he'd be a firm conservative anywhere else in the world), or that the conservatism of CPAC is even a particularly useful kind of 'conservatism'.
    CPAC is able to define itself however it wishes. While it espouses Thomas Jefferson, I'll just smirk at them believing that is the only conservatism.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
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    The bit in bold particularly bothers me. Everyone needs to "live by the parameters of the movement"? Does that include individuals who are not conservative and who do not desire to live like a conservative lives? I thought individualism was a conservative trait (not that our conservatives would know authentic individualism if it punched them in the nose)? How far is Cardenas willing to go to force others to "live by the parameters of the movement"?
    Where did you get the idea individualism is a conservative trait? Conservatives tend to go with the status quo and avoid excess, which would rule out things like individualism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    At any rate, demanding ideological purity certainly is not convincing. I'm one of those rarities who do not believe that any ideology actually correlates to reality one-to-one, and that the mark of a successful ideology is how well it adapts itself to the conditions of material reality, what it can trade off and where it can hold firm. An insistence on purity makes me less convinced, not more.
    yes, but they are circling the wagons. people were hoping they might evolve and join the rest of the world, but that requires a desire to exist with the rest of the world. that is something we can clearly see is not true within the narrative of the conservative world. They live in an isolated media conglomerate which is tightly controlled. They desire to rewrite history and force their ignorant and false views to be taught in school so there is no exposure outside of their own narrative. They are overwhelmingly xenophobic. It all leads to an isolationist fantasy world. there seems to be a few of them who are not this way who want to evolve the party, but that evolution is dangerous to the bubble so many of them wish to live in. So they circle their wagons and start tossing out the so called traitors. It is an idea that will only speed their destruction along. It will still take some time, but they are helping the world through actions like this. When you live in a bubble you also close yourself off to exposing the youth to your ideas. Without that exposure the only future for your movement is in the collapsing bubble.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

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    Christie is a Conservative. He may not be ideologically "pure" in the eyes of some. Frankly, I don't get it. He said something nice about President Obama. I suppose he could have punched Obama in the face, but it would seem he's not an asshole.

    Romney got an invite. Are you telling me that Romney is "pure?" (Romneycare....)

    This quest for ideological purity is not going to help the Republican party. They need to get back to the "big tent" that they used to have, but there seems to be this Quixotic quest to make it smaller.
    Seeing how he is one of the biggest RINOs he should have never been invited.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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