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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

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    A conservative in 1828 would have been a monarchist. In the U.S. of 1828 there were no conservatives.
    On the contrary: in the U.S. of 1828, the conservatives were those whose closest descendants are Yankee Democrats today. And not really a whole Hell of a lot changed in their worldview between then and now, except their classism has taken on different dimensions.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

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    Whenabout did this start changing? I assume sometime during the Gilded Age; in my head, I always use the inauguration of Rutherfraud and the end of Reconstruction as the starting-point for the glacially-slow shift of the Republicans to identify with The Established Order in full, but I may be wrong. I feel that there's an entire unwritten history to be uncovered here.
    If I knew so little history as evidenced by this post, I would avoid this sort of topic.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You are correct, but many posters are inhibited by a display of accurate memory. Good afternoon, CJ.
    Good afternoon to you as well 2M - hope all is well.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    A conservative in 1828 would have been a monarchist. In the U.S. of 1828 there were no conservatives.
    The label would have been anachronistic to some small extent, but then a wholesale rejection would preclude discussions of Cato the Elder.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If I knew so little history as evidenced by this post, I would avoid this sort of topic.
    You guys are all hard core and far more knowledgable on the subject than I'll ever be so I'll keep quiet. My only original point was that I'll bet there are tens of millions of people out there who would gladly support a party that believed in small, efficient government that valued and protected taxpayer dollars and at the same time had no interest in getting involved in social engineering and the private lives of the citizenry.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    On the contrary: in the U.S. of 1828, the conservatives were those whose closest descendants are Yankee Democrats today. And not really a whole Hell of a lot changed in their worldview between then and now, except their classism has taken on different dimensions.
    Ahistorical nonsense.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon to you as well 2M - hope all is well.

    Well indeed. You?
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    Re: CPAC chair: Christie didn't 'deserve' an invite this year

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    CPAC chair: Christie didn't 'deserve' an invite this year - First Read



    The bit in bold particularly bothers me. Everyone needs to "live by the parameters of the movement"? Does that include individuals who are not conservative and who do not desire to live like a conservative lives? I thought individualism was a conservative trait (not that our conservatives would know authentic individualism if it punched them in the nose)? How far is Cardenas willing to go to force others to "live by the parameters of the movement"?

    At any rate, demanding ideological purity certainly is not convincing. I'm one of those rarities who do not believe that any ideology actually correlates to reality one-to-one, and that the mark of a successful ideology is how well it adapts itself to the conditions of material reality, what it can trade off and where it can hold firm. An insistence on purity makes me less convinced, not more.
    No surprise really. The group obviously doesn't foster conservatism. It fosters partisanship. I wouldn't have anything to do with them personally. I'm loyal only to my own opinions and beliefs.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Well indeed. You?
    Always well here thanks - it's too much work not to be.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You guys are all hard core and far more knowledgable on the subject than I'll ever be so I'll keep quiet. My only original point was that I'll bet there are tens of millions of people out there who would gladly support a party that believed in small, efficient government that valued and protected taxpayer dollars and at the same time had no interest in getting involved in social engineering and the private lives of the citizenry.
    I'd support them in a heartbeat!

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