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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    This leads me to ask this question:

    Was Reagan a True Conservative?

    I mean, there were some things he did that weren't conservative, right?
    If you asked a conservative in 1828 this, he'd say "no", and that Reagan had sold out to the radical Jacksonians in the Planter Region.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    His actions says he is a RINO.



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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    His actions says he is a RINO.

    i totally agree. Which leads to the question of why conservatives backed him when they had some true conservatives in the GOP primary last year? If it was all about purity you could have had perry, bachman, or Santorum. Hell, even ron paul was a better choice. One might note that they knew conservative purity was a fail for a presidential election. The country does not want conservative purity, and embracing it is embracing failure. Romney was put in the election because his relative liberal attitude was a better opposition to Obama. then he completely flip flopped on that wisdom and went ultracon. Why go for the electable middle ground in the primaries and then throw it all away in the election? I just don't understand why the guy is not completely under the bus at this point.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    What if you could tweak social norms to encourage one of the more original virtues of social conservatives, by using ideas and means now thought to be "liberal" and "government"? For instance, government and faith-based initiatives were recently started under George W. Bush, but have also been supported by President Obama.
    It's entirely appropriate for a President to inspire the people, promote their better selves, to community/charitable involvement. It is not appropriate, in my view, to do that through taxpayer dollars, often with social engineering strings attached.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Or going back to central authority of government at the hands of a monarch, or rule by the aristoi? The people is a pretty recent phenomenon, and when it started, we cannot forget that some accused other Founding Fathers of being too fond of the, at the time, more conservative views of government.
    Whenabout did this start changing? I assume sometime during the Gilded Age; in my head, I always use the inauguration of Rutherfraud and the end of Reconstruction as the starting-point for the glacially-slow shift of the Republicans to identify with The Established Order in full, but I may be wrong. I feel that there's an entire unwritten history to be uncovered here.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    it is amazing how one year ago they did not really want romney that much because he was so impure.
    I believe Romney gave one of the better, most well received, speeches at last year's CPAC.

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    Re: CPAC chair: Christie didn't 'deserve' an invite this year

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    CPAC chair: Christie didn't 'deserve' an invite this year - First Read



    The bit in bold particularly bothers me. Everyone needs to "live by the parameters of the movement"? Does that include individuals who are not conservative and who do not desire to live like a conservative lives? I thought individualism was a conservative trait (not that our conservatives would know authentic individualism if it punched them in the nose)? How far is Cardenas willing to go to force others to "live by the parameters of the movement"?

    At any rate, demanding ideological purity certainly is not convincing. I'm one of those rarities who do not believe that any ideology actually correlates to reality one-to-one, and that the mark of a successful ideology is how well it adapts itself to the conditions of material reality, what it can trade off and where it can hold firm. An insistence on purity makes me less convinced, not more.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    This leads me to ask this question:

    Was Reagan a True Conservative?

    I mean, there were some things he did that weren't conservative, right?
    First, there is no true conservative.

    Second of all, the office determines the outcome. You'll notice quickly, that in the way that most people quantify positions as liberal, conservative, moderate, libertarian, statist, etc etc. things change from when someone is an elected official in our legislative branch or elsewhere and finally elected to the White House. Governing reality kicks in quickly and pulls the candidate in directions he could not have the luxury of resisting. This is why a Rand Paul will look more conservative than Reagan if you want to quantify the results.

    Third of all, he was complicated and was in his own time. Ronald Reagan voted many times for FDR, and never repudiated doing so, but had a swing toward Goldwater-branded conservatism later in life. This put him ideologically more toward small government, low taxes, and so forth. However, governing reality kicks in and is matched with his votes for FDR. He made peace with the FDR/Johnson era programs, but sought to curb their excesses. So in some sense, a limited sense, you can say it was neoconservative (never forgetting that you should be very careful about putting Presidents in a box). His embrace of supply-side economics was a conservative variety dating back to a bit prior to FDR, but as had been said before, due to governing reality, taxes were increased. His embrace of populist rhetoric, you can suggest is classically not conservative, but had since been identified with a branch of conservatism after the Whigs died out.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    If you asked a conservative in 1828 this, he'd say "no", and that Reagan had sold out to the radical Jacksonians in the Planter Region.
    A conservative in 1828 would have been a monarchist. In the U.S. of 1828 there were no conservatives.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I believe Romney gave one of the better, most well received, speeches at last year's CPAC.
    You are correct, but many posters are inhibited by a display of accurate memory. Good afternoon, CJ.
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