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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am pretty sure conservationism in the UK is not the same thing as conservationism in the US. At least that's what people in the UK told me.
    It's not. There's plenty of cultural and political differences. Take hunting, for example. In America, it is a common-man thing, something to appeal to the populists (your folk). In the UK, it's got the tinge of aristocracy (not your folk).
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I hate it when people toss around terms like "RINO." What's going on with the TP and the GOP would be akin to a bunch of socialists coming in and defining what a "real Democrat" was.
    His actions says he is a RINO.



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    Standing on stage at a Republican debate on the Gulf Coast of Florida last week, Mitt Romney repeatedly lashed out at rival Rudy Giuliani for providing sanctuary to illegal immigrants in New York City.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In my view, it wouldn't hurt a bit if the Republican Party actually got back to being representatives of conservatism in its true sense - small government, both fiscally and socially. If they did that, they would actually attract a large number of people who are tired of having the government grow, extending it's tentacles into all aspects of individual lives and wealth.
    Small government is not a "true" conservative principle. It is a conservative principle. Big government has quite the lengthy history in conservatism. Americans since influenced by southerners interested in such small government policies (well, that is, until big government benefited the planter class..then big government was okay) , have largely forgotten that.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    There's no reason a "social liberal" couldn't be conservative. When we look at the broad history of the modern West, and of America in particular, we see a series of liberations - of small landholders in the Jacksonian era to the ballot; of slaves in the age of Lincoln; of women during the progressive era; of black voters during the Civil Rights Movement. There's no reason a conservative couldn't take in this past history as a guideline for future activity. Progress is, or can be, at any rate, a traditional value.
    If you had a social liberal who actually believed in true conservatism, you'd likely be talking to a Canadian, not an American. American liberals are too busy trying to get government into every crevice of every person's life, trying to have government codify every possible personal right they can dream of instead of leaving government to the tasks they are best able to manage. But I appreciate your thoughts - I wish you luck and much success in that regard.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Small government is not a "true" conservative principle. It is a conservative principle. Big government has quite the lengthy history in conservatism. Americans since influenced by southerners interested in such small government policies (well, that is, until big government benefited the planter class..then big government was okay) , have largely forgotten that.
    This can't be emphasized enough.

    There was a time, in the early 19th century, when the policies of those social classes that considered themselves "conservative" - Northeastern industrialists, Anglican clergymen, Anglophiles, etc. - were in favor of a stronger central government, because that was the model that had been established in England prior to, during and after the American Revolutionary War, and consequentially that was what they knew and favored. That was their tradition. These Federalists were Statists - and they were also conservative.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post

    Romney got an invite. Are you telling me that Romney is "pure?" (Romneycare....)
    Should be stated again!

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If you had a social liberal who actually believed in true conservatism, you'd likely be talking to a Canadian, not an American. American liberals are too busy trying to get government into every crevice of every person's life, trying to have government codify every possible personal right they can dream of instead of leaving government to the tasks they are best able to manage. But I appreciate your thoughts - I wish you luck and much success in that regard.
    What if you could tweak social norms to encourage one of the more original virtues of social conservatives, by using ideas and means now thought to be "liberal" and "government"? For instance, government and faith-based initiatives were recently started under George W. Bush, but have also been supported by President Obama.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Should be stated again!
    it is amazing how one year ago they did not really want romney that much because he was so impure.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    This can't be emphasized enough.

    There was a time, in the early 19th century, when the policies of those social classes that considered themselves "conservative" - Northeastern industrialists, Anglican clergymen, Anglophiles, etc. - were in favor of a stronger central government, because that was the model that had been established in England prior to, during and after the American Revolutionary War, and consequentially that was what they knew and favored. That was their tradition. These Federalists were Statists - and they were also conservative.
    Or going back to central authority of government at the hands of a monarch, or rule by the aristoi? The people is a pretty recent phenomenon, and when it started, we cannot forget that some accused other Founding Fathers of being too fond of the, at the time, more conservative views of government.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    This leads me to ask this question:

    Was Reagan a True Conservative?

    I mean, there were some things he did that weren't conservative, right?

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