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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    i totally agree. Which leads to the question of why conservatives backed him when they had some true conservatives in the GOP primary last year? If it was all about purity you could have had perry, bachman, or Santorum. Hell, even ron paul was a better choice. One might note that they knew conservative purity was a fail for a presidential election. The country does not want conservative purity, and embracing it is embracing failure. Romney was put in the election because his relative liberal attitude was a better opposition to Obama. then he completely flip flopped on that wisdom and went ultracon. Why go for the electable middle ground in the primaries and then throw it all away in the election? I just don't understand why the guy is not completely under the bus at this point.
    The media picked Romney and the frontrunner.Die hard republican party-tards wanted more than anything to win. So they propped up Romney despite the fact that propping up a RINO in 08 cost them to lose the presidency.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Certainly, but you have to have a strong, vibrant...perceived, middle ground in the party in order to gain more influence at the negotiating table and in the White House. In the quest for mythology, we forget many of the complexities of the Reagan years, which certainly were more complicated than the post-Goldwaterites are leading us to believe.
    But he didn't try to play the middle ground.He did a 180 claiming to be a conservative.Liberal republicans right now have a snowball's chance in hell at winning the presidency so lied and said he was against abortion,said he was for the 2nd amendment and said many other things to try to pretend to be a conservative.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The media picked Romney and the frontrunner.Die hard republican party-tards wanted more than anything to win. So they propped up Romney despite the fact that propping up a RINO in 08 cost them to lose the presidency.
    You mean the media who is putting out a lot of money to make CPAC? Isn't there a point where the reps recognize they fund the people they claim are screwing them, or is the Obama hate that blinding?

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Looks like a content-free post.
    Says the man who accused one poster of acting ahistorically, while committing the crime himself?
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

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    CPAC chair: Christie didn't 'deserve' an invite this yearFiddy, Jack...take the off topic comments elsewhere(ie, the basement) or expect thread bans or more.
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    Re: CPAC chair: Christie didn't 'deserve' an invite this year

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    CPAC chair: Christie didn't 'deserve' an invite this year - First Read



    The bit in bold particularly bothers me. Everyone needs to "live by the parameters of the movement"? Does that include individuals who are not conservative and who do not desire to live like a conservative lives? I thought individualism was a conservative trait (not that our conservatives would know authentic individualism if it punched them in the nose)? How far is Cardenas willing to go to force others to "live by the parameters of the movement"?

    At any rate, demanding ideological purity certainly is not convincing. I'm one of those rarities who do not believe that any ideology actually correlates to reality one-to-one, and that the mark of a successful ideology is how well it adapts itself to the conditions of material reality, what it can trade off and where it can hold firm. An insistence on purity makes me less convinced, not more.
    CPAC is a private entity. It can invite or refrain from inviting whomever it chooses.

    Having said that, CPAC is not the Republican Party. CPAC has a voice, but Governor Christie is free to build a coalition that he believes would secure him the nomination if he chooses to run for President.

    My guess is that CPAC's lack of invitation and Cardenas's subsequent explanation gives Governor Christie another fresh opportunity to build upon his emerging message of a stark contrast between doers (like him) who achieve results in governance/can appeal to a broad slice of the electorate and ideologues/purists who offer doctrinaire messages but show few results and possess only narrow political appeal. He will then translate that contrast into public policy outcomes. He will point to his fiscal results in NJ and then the lack of credible fiscal consolidation program in Washington. Of course, there is some risk in such a strategy, too, as following the nominating process, he would need to gain a decent share of support from those who backed alternative candidates. However, if he can build a strong case that he would represent the kind of problem-solver Washington has lacked in recent years, he could have a potent message.

    Exogenous factors will also be important in determining the outcome. His rival will be a key factor. The state of the economy and the nation's fiscal situation will be important. International developments could also have an impact. For now, it remains to be seen whether he will, in fact, seek the Presidency. His near-term focus will be on the NJ race and an effort to win by a large landslide.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Christie is a Conservative. He may not be ideologically "pure" in the eyes of some. Frankly, I don't get it. He said something nice about President Obama. I suppose he could have punched Obama in the face, but it would seem he's not an asshole.

    Romney got an invite. Are you telling me that Romney is "pure?" (Romneycare....)

    This quest for ideological purity is not going to help the Republican party. They need to get back to the "big tent" that they used to have, but there seems to be this Quixotic quest to make it smaller.
    There is an easy explanation for why Republicans are kicking other Republicans to the curb. They are musicians, and have all bought on to a new effect.

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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, come 2016, Christie vs Clinton - you'd vote for a republican?
    That would be a difficult choice, but I don't think it'll end up being that hard.

    You've got to remember that if you want to win an election, putting up a guy who represents a hard right fringe is going to turn off voters who might consider it. If you're in the business of winning elections it seems an odd way to go. I'm pretty sure the Republican party is in the business of winning elections. It's one thing to have solid Conservative principles, and it's another thing to be angry or making stupid comments about "legitimate rape." Everybody likes principles, but most of all what people want is someone who's willing to accept that it's not their way or the highway.

    You want another Reagan, and I don't blame you, but Reagan was not one to go around punching people in the nuts because he disagreed with them. He was also smart enough to realize that he wasn't going to get everything he wanted, so he took a little here and gave a little there. That's governing, that's leadership, and that's something that's in short supply these days on both sides. Christie realized that metaphorically punching Obama in the nuts was not going to help the people of New Jersey. According to some TP activists, that makes him a "horrible RINO." I think it makes him an effective governor.


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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Says the man who accused one poster of acting ahistorically, while committing the crime himself?
    The poster made an ahistorical argument. If you believe I did the same, please point out the error.
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    Re: CPAC head: Christie "doesn't deserve" to be a Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The media picked Romney and the frontrunner.Die hard republican party-tards wanted more than anything to win. So they propped up Romney despite the fact that propping up a RINO in 08 cost them to lose the presidency.
    Sorry, but that doesn't fly. CPAC invited Romney last year. What did CPAC stand for again you say?

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