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    Re: Insurers warn of overhaul-induced sticker shock

    No, they wont. Governemnt employees do not profit from the programs they handle. Simply not a true statement.
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    Yeah, then the guys with the helipads and million dollar buildings will be Government employees... SUCCESS!
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    Re: Insurers warn of overhaul-induced sticker shock

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    No, they wont. Governemnt employees do not profit from the programs they handle. Simply not a true statement.
    They work for free? And the Department heads don't fly private jets? Huh...

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    Re: Insurers warn of overhaul-induced sticker shock

    No, they get paid a regular paycheck. I dont know any that fly on private jets. You must be thinking about politicians. I cant help you with those guys.
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    They work for free? And the Department heads don't fly private jets? Huh...
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    Re: Insurers warn of overhaul-induced sticker shock

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    No, they get paid a regular paycheck. I dont know any that fly on private jets. You must be thinking about politicians. I cant help you with those guys.
    Ah, I see now that your world view depends on you ignoring that politicians are the functional head of government and enjoy the same perks as any CEO. Obama's golf schedule puts the average CEO to shame.

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    Re: Insurers warn of overhaul-induced sticker shock

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it's
    happening for more and more people every year. the PPACA does little about this other than to spur the creation of a bunch of safe auto-type plans that meet minimum requirements, but don't do much else.




    no, it's the general refusal to accept that an essential service with inelastic demand might not be most efficiently delivered by three levels of for profit companies.



    it's broader than that. it's everyone who doesn't have insurance and can't get on medicaid.



    no, i don't, but i find them to be piss poor, inefficient gatekeepers to nearly every level of essential care.



    this isn't a teamsport. our system isn't working, it's expensive and inefficient, it stifles both business and employment, and the PPACA doesn't fix it. it can only be fixed by completely redesigning the system.




    that's exactly who is already paying the penalty through higher premiums.



    an employer is not a health care provider. the sooner we get away from that failed idea, the better.
    The employer has been a healthcare provider through offering insurance plans as a part of compensation for decades. Because they buy in bulk essentially they have access to better plans at cheaper rates.

    If employers are NOT providers who is ?

    And I'm not going to "get use" to a plan that will not work and will not be implemented.

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    Re: Insurers warn of overhaul-induced sticker shock

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The employer has been a healthcare provider through offering insurance plans as a part of compensation for decades. Because they buy in bulk essentially they have access to better plans at cheaper rates.

    If employers are NOT providers who is ?

    And I'm not going to "get use" to a plan that will not work and will not be implemented.
    it makes absolutely no sense to have employer-specific health insurance. every time you change jobs, you lose your health insurance. not only that, but since other first world countries don't do it that way, it is a drag on American businesses. finally, it's a serious disincentive to those who would like to start their own businesses. if you quit your job to start a business, not only do you lose your health insurance, but your employees can have a reasonable expectation that you will provide theirs. it's an idiotic system.

    i support doing a thorough study of what every other first world country is doing, picking the best parts of each system, and fixing our health care to more closely resemble other systems with better outcomes and greater efficiency.

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    Re: Insurers warn of overhaul-induced sticker shock

    My world view? The people who would be running the UHC system would be nonpolitical permanent types that do not fly around on helicopters etc. The POTUS and Congress types will be there anyway. Try not to attack me, we are not discussing my world view. By the way, what does Obama's golf game have to do with healthcare? Talking points?
    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Ah, I see now that your world view depends on you ignoring that politicians are the functional head of government and enjoy the same perks as any CEO. Obama's golf schedule puts the average CEO to shame.
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    Re: Insurers warn of overhaul-induced sticker shock

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Or, in two or four years, there will be sufficient Republicans in the House and Senate to repeal Obamacare, if the courts haven't already stripped it of meaningful effect beforehand.
    I hope you are right but these social programs are very difficult to undo once enough people get on the dole.

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    Re: Insurers warn of overhaul-induced sticker shock

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it makes absolutely no sense to have employer-specific health insurance. every time you change jobs, you lose your health insurance. not only that, but since other first world countries don't do it that way, it is a drag on American businesses. finally, it's a serious disincentive to those who would like to start their own businesses. if you quit your job to start a business, not only do you lose your health insurance, but your employees can have a reasonable expectation that you will provide theirs. it's an idiotic system.

    i support doing a thorough study of what every other first world country is doing, picking the best parts of each system, and fixing our health care to more closely resemble other systems with better outcomes and greater efficiency.
    We'd save money by adopting the system of any other nation in the world, but if we were to develop our own, without having to hoot and leap and shout socialism and death panels. If we'd just consider rationally what works, we could wind up with one of the world's most efficient health care systems, instead of the least efficient of anyone.

    Just imagine the economic power that could be released if employers didn't have to shell out thousands of dollars on each employee for health care, if patients had an incentive to shop around, and if providers didn't have to have an army of people whose expertise is in how to get government and private insurance to pay. Imagine a United States paying out 7% of its gdp instead of 17% for health care. Imagine a health care system with costs that rose only as much as inflation.

    Imagine a functioning government that could bring such a thing about.
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    Re: Insurers warn of overhaul-induced sticker shock

    I'm waiting for the insurance industry collapse. We can point fingers to the left or to the right, or both ways. Either way, it doesn't matter. With or without Obamacare, the insurance industry is still going to fail, just like the bank industry, auto industry, and housing industry. It's only a matter of time.
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