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Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

Actually, I never claimed that. You're just making stuff up, as usual.

The facts show that restricting guns doesn't necessarily reduce crime -- but it does reduce gun crimes. Which is good enough for me for a variety of reasons apparently too subtle for you to comprehend, since I"ve posted them before.

given all the hatred you spew towards the NRA it is obvious that public safety is not your main motivation
 
given all the hatred you spew towards the NRA it is obvious that public safety is not your main motivation

Meanwhile, I bet you never get back to the topic. You're incapable of discussing the facts about guns. You're too busy foamnig at the mouth about black males stalking you.
 
It's your NRA rhetoric, not mine. Don't blame me if you guys are fixated on NRA fictional narratives about minorities breaking into your homes. I deal with facts not gun lover code.

who is most likely to break into someone's home? an NRA member or some liberal black?

African Americans, black people, niggers, whatever you want to cal them are statistically more likely to commit a crime than white Americans, that's true and its a simple fact so there's no reason to get upset about it HoJ. Although the reason that is the case has nothing to do with their skin color.

As for what it has to do with the discussion I have no idea
 
black males make up about 6% of the population and make up more than 50% of the murder convicts. Even more of those arrested for murder

Yes, So, do you accept this as justice and therefore accept that blacks are more murderous and also as highly evolved beyond whites as whites are beyond apes? Or do you reject this as injustice? Or some totally illogical third choice?
 
Meanwhile, I bet you never get back to the topic. You're incapable of discussing the facts about guns. You're too busy foamnig at the mouth about black males stalking you.

what facts have you ever posted? your posts on guns are almost universally seen as a joke on this board
 
You really don't need to go out of your way to piss other people off, especially when it comes to a tragedy like this.

My post was idiotic. Im merely pointing out and mocking the stupidity of some posters.
 
African Americans, black people, niggers, whatever you want to cal them are statistically more likely to commit a crime than white Americans, that's true and its a simple fact so there's no reason to get upset about it HoJ. Although the reason that is the case has nothing to do with their skin color.

As for what it has to do with the discussion I have no idea

No it's not a simple fact. It's a pseudo fact used by racist NRA rhetoric to inflame the conversation about gun violence and the need to restrict guns.

But getting back to the topic, another gun massacre, another flame war by gun lovers who are so insecure they can't even think straight about gun control.
 
Yes, So, do you accept this as justice and therefore accept that blacks are more murderous and also as highly evolved beyond whites as whites are beyond apes? Or do you reject this as injustice? Or some totally illogical third choice?

your post makes no sense. I have been involved in the criminal justice system off and on for 30 years. The fact is -black males have a far higher rate of violent crime than white males. there are many reasons for that. your claims of evolution have no basis in fact or logic. Culture is far more important rather than some innate alleged differences between the races.
 
No it's not a simple fact. It's a pseudo fact used by racist NRA rhetoric to inflame the conversation about gun violence and the need to restrict guns.

But getting back to the topic, another gun massacre, another flame war by gun lovers who are so insecure they can't even think straight about gun control.

the only racist rhetoric we see is from you. Not the NRA
 
No it's not a simple fact. It's a pseudo fact used by racist NRA rhetoric to inflame the conversation about gun violence and the need to restrict guns.

But getting back to the topic, another gun massacre, another flame war by gun lovers who are so insecure they can't even think straight about gun control.

Who exactly started the bull**** racism and flaming to milk this tragedy, hrm?

I swear, mass murder really gets you off.
 
Who exactly started the bull**** racism and flaming to milk this tragedy, hrm?

I swear, mass murder really gets you off.

his posts suggest that he hates white conservative gun owners.

he must think that pissing off gun owners is payback for us not supporting his far left agenda. 99% of his gun posts are attacks on the NRA
 
I can't believe this hasn't been flushed yet
 
who was the last bitter old guy who was motivated by the Obamatard's win? Why didn't NY's strict gun control laws stop this shooting>

Yet more proof that liberals are the true idiots when it comes to guns.
 
Yet more proof that liberals are the true idiots when it comes to guns.

agreed-and their motivations are almost always different than the crime control crap they spew in favor of gun restrictions

night all
 
Actually, I never claimed that. You're just making stuff up, as usual.

The facts show that restricting guns doesn't necessarily reduce crime -- but it does reduce gun crimes. Which is good enough for me for a variety of reasons apparently too subtle for you to comprehend, since I"ve posted them before.

I like how they are experts on African American statistics as well.
 
your post makes no sense. I have been involved in the criminal justice system off and on for 30 years. The fact is -black males have a far higher rate of violent crime than white males. there are many reasons for that. your claims of evolution have no basis in fact or logic. Culture is far more important rather than some innate alleged differences between the races.

culture wouldn't make it less likely for blacks to accidentally kill people. you're avoiding the belief that that the justice system is unjust then.
 
ughhhh! another shooting.
Let me guess, an old bitter conservative man pissed that Obama won the election..


Upstate New York Shooting Update: Suspected gunman ID'd as Kurt Myers, police say - Crimesider - CBS News

(CBS/AP) Updated 5:29p.m. - Authorities have corrected the spelling of the suspect's last name to Myers.

Updated 1:57p.m.: Multiple gunshots heard in New York village where police seek gunman in killings of 4.
HERKIMER, N.Y. - A man opened fire at a car wash and a barbershop a mile apart Wednesday morning, killing four people and wounding at least two others, and a 64-year-old suspect is being sought, police said.

Authorities are looking for Kurt Myers, said Joseph Malone, the police chief for Herkimer and Mohawk. Officials say guns and ammunition were found inside his Mohawk apartment after emergency crews were sent to a fire there Wednesday morning.

I'm not sure how one could leap to a conclusion like that with no available information.. or how one would jump to using the story as a political bludgeon..... but you went and did both.

good job, you've made yourself look stupid.
 
culture wouldn't make it less likely for blacks to accidentally kill people. you're avoiding the belief that that the justice system is unjust then.

Can you please cite the source that breaks up accidental shootings by race? It seems reasonable, but I would like to be able to cite the source. Thanks.
 
Can you please cite the source that breaks up accidental shootings by race? It seems reasonable, but I would like to be able to cite the source. Thanks.

I already told you, compare the national accidental death statistics by race of the person who caused the accident, to the national overall death statistics by race of the person who caused the death. compare both to the murder rate by race. this means you have to look up multiple official US government sources. the percentage of likelihood of a black killing a person is equal to that of a white killing a person, when you factor in the percentage of blacks compared to total population, and the percentage of whites compared to total population. yes the blacks' murder rate is higher, but the black's killing rate is equal. If they are not smarter and not more graceful, just more murderous, their overall kill rate would be higher and it's not, because their accidental kill rate would be equal to that of whites, 5 times higher than it is. Look it up, go ahead, Either blacks are being convicted of murder every time they accidentally kill someone, or blacks are vastly more intelligent and graceful than whites.
 
I already told you, compare the national accidental death statistics by race of the person who caused the accident, to the national overall death statistics by race of the person who caused the death. compare both to the murder rate by race. this means you have to look up multiple official US government sources. the percentage of likelihood of a black killing a person is equal to that of a white killing a person, when you factor in the percentage of blacks compared to total population, and the percentage of whites compared to total population. yes the blacks' murder rate is higher, but the black's killing rate is equal. If they are not smarter and not more graceful, just more murderous, their overall kill rate would be higher and it's not, because their accidental kill rate would be equal to that of whites, 5 times higher than it is. Look it up, go ahead, Either blacks are being convicted of murder every time they accidentally kill someone, or blacks are vastly more intelligent and graceful than whites.

So on the CDC website I asked for the numbers of black males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 424. Or 2.8% of all their accidental deathsLink

Then I asked for the numbers of white males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 786. Or 0.8% of all their accidental deaths. Link

I'm not sure how that matches up with what you are claiming. Frankly, the numbers the CDC feature seem low to me, but I don't know where to find better numbers than the CDC. Please provide your own link if you have it.

The link the CDC search feature is here: Link
 
I came into this thread hoping to see people discussing the unfortunate shooting in good nature and expressing general concern for those affected.

Instead, I hate humanity a little more now.
 
So on the CDC website I asked for the numbers of black males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 424. Or 2.8% of all their accidental deathsLink

Then I asked for the numbers of white males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 786. Or 0.8% of all their accidental deaths. Link

I'm not sure how that matches up with what you are claiming. Frankly, the numbers the CDC feature seem low to me, but I don't know where to find better numbers than the CDC. Please provide your own link if you have it.

The link the CDC search feature is here: Link

You said Firearm, I did not. you deliberately narrowed your search to get the desired results instead of doing the search I told you to do.
 
So on the CDC website I asked for the numbers of black males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 424. Or 2.8% of all their accidental deathsLink

Then I asked for the numbers of white males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 786. Or 0.8% of all their accidental deaths. Link

I'm not sure how that matches up with what you are claiming. Frankly, the numbers the CDC feature seem low to me, but I don't know where to find better numbers than the CDC. Please provide your own link if you have it.

The link the CDC search feature is here: Link

You were supposed to search based on the race of the killers, not based on the race of the victims. Also, most killings are not with firearms, you were supposed to look at all killings. you only looked at a fraction of killings.
 
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