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    re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Actually, I never claimed that. You're just making stuff up, as usual.

    The facts show that restricting guns doesn't necessarily reduce crime -- but it does reduce gun crimes. Which is good enough for me for a variety of reasons apparently too subtle for you to comprehend, since I"ve posted them before.
    I like how they are experts on African American statistics as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your post makes no sense. I have been involved in the criminal justice system off and on for 30 years. The fact is -black males have a far higher rate of violent crime than white males. there are many reasons for that. your claims of evolution have no basis in fact or logic. Culture is far more important rather than some innate alleged differences between the races.
    culture wouldn't make it less likely for blacks to accidentally kill people. you're avoiding the belief that that the justice system is unjust then.

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    re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    ughhhh! another shooting.
    Let me guess, an old bitter conservative man pissed that Obama won the election..


    Upstate New York Shooting Update: Suspected gunman ID'd as Kurt Myers, police say - Crimesider - CBS News

    (CBS/AP) Updated 5:29p.m. - Authorities have corrected the spelling of the suspect's last name to Myers.

    Updated 1:57p.m.: Multiple gunshots heard in New York village where police seek gunman in killings of 4.
    HERKIMER, N.Y. - A man opened fire at a car wash and a barbershop a mile apart Wednesday morning, killing four people and wounding at least two others, and a 64-year-old suspect is being sought, police said.

    Authorities are looking for Kurt Myers, said Joseph Malone, the police chief for Herkimer and Mohawk. Officials say guns and ammunition were found inside his Mohawk apartment after emergency crews were sent to a fire there Wednesday morning.
    I'm not sure how one could leap to a conclusion like that with no available information.. or how one would jump to using the story as a political bludgeon..... but you went and did both.

    good job, you've made yourself look stupid.

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    re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanWoman76 View Post
    culture wouldn't make it less likely for blacks to accidentally kill people. you're avoiding the belief that that the justice system is unjust then.
    Can you please cite the source that breaks up accidental shootings by race? It seems reasonable, but I would like to be able to cite the source. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Can you please cite the source that breaks up accidental shootings by race? It seems reasonable, but I would like to be able to cite the source. Thanks.
    I already told you, compare the national accidental death statistics by race of the person who caused the accident, to the national overall death statistics by race of the person who caused the death. compare both to the murder rate by race. this means you have to look up multiple official US government sources. the percentage of likelihood of a black killing a person is equal to that of a white killing a person, when you factor in the percentage of blacks compared to total population, and the percentage of whites compared to total population. yes the blacks' murder rate is higher, but the black's killing rate is equal. If they are not smarter and not more graceful, just more murderous, their overall kill rate would be higher and it's not, because their accidental kill rate would be equal to that of whites, 5 times higher than it is. Look it up, go ahead, Either blacks are being convicted of murder every time they accidentally kill someone, or blacks are vastly more intelligent and graceful than whites.

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    re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I'm not sure how one could leap to a conclusion like that with no available information.. or how one would jump to using the story as a political bludgeon..... but you went and did both.

    good job, you've made yourself look stupid.

    go back and READ : http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061566641

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    re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanWoman76 View Post
    I already told you, compare the national accidental death statistics by race of the person who caused the accident, to the national overall death statistics by race of the person who caused the death. compare both to the murder rate by race. this means you have to look up multiple official US government sources. the percentage of likelihood of a black killing a person is equal to that of a white killing a person, when you factor in the percentage of blacks compared to total population, and the percentage of whites compared to total population. yes the blacks' murder rate is higher, but the black's killing rate is equal. If they are not smarter and not more graceful, just more murderous, their overall kill rate would be higher and it's not, because their accidental kill rate would be equal to that of whites, 5 times higher than it is. Look it up, go ahead, Either blacks are being convicted of murder every time they accidentally kill someone, or blacks are vastly more intelligent and graceful than whites.
    So on the CDC website I asked for the numbers of black males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 424. Or 2.8% of all their accidental deathsLink

    Then I asked for the numbers of white males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 786. Or 0.8% of all their accidental deaths. Link

    I'm not sure how that matches up with what you are claiming. Frankly, the numbers the CDC feature seem low to me, but I don't know where to find better numbers than the CDC. Please provide your own link if you have it.

    The link the CDC search feature is here: Link

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    re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    I came into this thread hoping to see people discussing the unfortunate shooting in good nature and expressing general concern for those affected.

    Instead, I hate humanity a little more now.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
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    re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    So on the CDC website I asked for the numbers of black males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 424. Or 2.8% of all their accidental deathsLink

    Then I asked for the numbers of white males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 786. Or 0.8% of all their accidental deaths. Link

    I'm not sure how that matches up with what you are claiming. Frankly, the numbers the CDC feature seem low to me, but I don't know where to find better numbers than the CDC. Please provide your own link if you have it.

    The link the CDC search feature is here: Link
    You said Firearm, I did not. you deliberately narrowed your search to get the desired results instead of doing the search I told you to do.

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    re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    So on the CDC website I asked for the numbers of black males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 424. Or 2.8% of all their accidental deathsLink

    Then I asked for the numbers of white males, aged 15-35, who died from unintentional injury by firearm. I got 786. Or 0.8% of all their accidental deaths. Link

    I'm not sure how that matches up with what you are claiming. Frankly, the numbers the CDC feature seem low to me, but I don't know where to find better numbers than the CDC. Please provide your own link if you have it.

    The link the CDC search feature is here: Link
    You were supposed to search based on the race of the killers, not based on the race of the victims. Also, most killings are not with firearms, you were supposed to look at all killings. you only looked at a fraction of killings.

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