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    Re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

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    Move on black manta. We are tired of being baited.
    So again you have nothing.

    Par for the course.
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    Re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    They may try, but you do not have to fall for that trap.
    See what I just wrote about being on an emotional plantation. NOBODY is holding you back. Stop making excuses.
    No one held me back. My comment is the exact opposite of what you are trying to imply.

    I said...

    It would be ignorant white folks that somehow think blacks cannot or will not be able to compete on a level playing field. So instead of getting out of the way and letting us succeed or fail on our own, they offer racist programs that for years have eroded our morals and family structure to the point where it no longer exists in some cases. Teaching us to depend on the government hand out rather than ourselves. Teaching us that personal responsibility is now a bad word because it is always someone else's fault.

    Liberalism? Please. More like dumb asses who think they are doing good but instead only hurt.


    So I can only come to the conclusion you somehow did not understand what I wrote, or you are just trying to lie. So I will give you a second chance.
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    Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    If it had been your family member(s) gunned own with AR-15's, would you think again about limiting their access?
    A gun is just a gun. A pathetic appeal to emotion is just a pathetic appeal to emotion. The fact is most school shootings occur with handguns, not semiautomatic rifles. The fact is of the 1400 rounds fired in murders or violent crimes in NYC only 3 came from ANY type of a rifle, with none verifiably attributed to an AR15 (as stated by the NYPD police commissioner). The fact is that in he Aurora Co shooting the AR weapon jammed and Holmes proceeded to shoot 70 people with a shotgun and handgun. The Amish school shootings several years back involved a shotgun and a 30.06. The VaTech shooter used a handgun. The Giffords shooter used a handgun. The columbine shooters used shotguns, 22lrs and handguns. Kip Kinkel in Oregon used a 22lr. Frivolous foolish emotional appeals are frivolous and foolish.

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    Re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Do you honestly think republicans care about the inner cities at all? The inner cities need community organizers. Oh wait...
    Great idea, let's continue to let criminals roam freely among us, just try to disarm everyone to make them easier prey. If these inner city morons will not obey laws against assault, battery, robbery and murder then what makes you think that they will obey gun laws? Recreational drugs are now illegal and banned nationwide, yet they abound in your, much loved, inner cities.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The standard was established by the Surpreme Court. Argue it with them if you wish.

    The point is society could not function with every Joe owning nukes or weaponized anthrax. It would collapse.

    Obviously that is not the case with common weapons.

    And thinking that banning law abiding persons from owning certain types of weapons will prevent mass slaughters is obviously wrong. The biggest mass murder in US history excluding 9-11 was carried out using a fertilizer bomb. The biggest school massacre was carried out using a bomb as well, in 1927. Bombs and bomb-making materials are already restricted btw.
    SCOTUS has ruled that saving many lives is consistent with the "strict scrutiny" requirement that the laws be "necessary or crucial"

    And the govt now does regulate the sales of fertilizers
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    Re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    SCOTUS has ruled that saving many lives is consistent with the "strict scrutiny" requirement that the laws be "necessary or crucial"
    SCOTUS has also ruled that severe restrictions on common arms are Unconstitutional.

    The question is, how many lives and at what cost? Far more people die in automobile accidents than by guns... yet no one is advocating banning cars, restricting everyone to cars that only go 35mph, background checks to buy a car, etc.

    Hell if we just did away with 18 wheel trucks and cars on the same roads we'd probably cut traffic fatalities by thousands... but the economic cost would be staggering.

    Saving lives is great, but there are always limits to how far we can practically go in so doing.

    There are also unintended consequences... like making criminals safer and therefore bolder.

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    Re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    4 people are dead.

    My heart goes out to their families. We seem to say that too often nowadays.

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    Re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    SCOTUS has also ruled that severe restrictions on common arms are Unconstitutional.

    The question is, how many lives and at what cost? Far more people die in automobile accidents than by guns... yet no one is advocating banning cars, restricting everyone to cars that only go 35mph, background checks to buy a car, etc.

    Hell if we just did away with 18 wheel trucks and cars on the same roads we'd probably cut traffic fatalities by thousands... but the economic cost would be staggering.

    Saving lives is great, but there are always limits to how far we can practically go in so doing.

    There are also unintended consequences... like making criminals safer and therefore bolder.
    SCOTUS has also ruled that te govt can restrict some people from owning weapons and regulate the sale of firearms.

    Strict scrutiny doesn't have a minimum threshold as far as the # of lives or cost, only that the means be the least restrictive while acheiving the sought after benefit. And cars are highly regulated, in their manufacture, their sale, and their use. Trucks are subjected to even more regulation than cars.

    As far as strict scrutiny goes, the only limit to how far we can go is that the means be the "least restrictive" means of achieving the goal. This does not eliminate "highly restrictive" regulations, unless it can be shown that "less restrictive" means would achieve the same goals.

    And criminals don't commit crimes because they feel safe and bold. I've never bought that article of faith
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    Re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    4 people are dead.

    My heart goes out to their families. We seem to say that too often nowadays.
    Actually we say it far less than we did even 10 years ago. Nice hyperbole though.
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    Re: Upstate New York Shooting Update [W:90; 131]

    Well...at least he followed Bidens advice and used a shotgun...

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