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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The only thing wrong with what he said is the percentage. It's not that high.
    It's also incorrect to say they'll vote democrat no matter what. Considering most welfare states (i.e. states who get more than they give) are red states, it makes absolutely no sense to claim they'll vote Democrat.
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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    I love when people cite a news source as fact. I put as much stock in Brietbart interpretation of census data, as I do MSNBC, lol. You should look at the actual census information, http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/p70-130.pdf

    If you look at what the census actually concluded, you would see that only 18.6% of American receive major government assistance, monthy, in 2009. Just because someone falls on hard times and needs food stamps for a couple months to feed their kids, doesn't make them a suck on the system. I'm not denying that those people exist, I just don't think they exist to the extent the GOP establishmen would like the public to believe.
    Your number of 18.9% includes only individuals who receive major (defined how?) government assistance, monthly, and the data is from 2009.

    My number of 49% includes anyone who lives in the same household as someone receiving any sort of government assistance, at any time in the first quarter of 2011.

    The assumption is that other people who live in the household also depend on the income generated by the financial aid.

    Either way, had Romeny used a number like 30% rather than 47%, would that have made it better in your eyes?

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    According to the latest cencus data, approximately 49% of Americans are receiving federal aid of some sort.

    If they are receiving federal aid, one must assume that they depend on it... otherwise we really need to take a look at our federal aid programs.

    Thus, it would be accurate to say that 49% of Americans depend on federal assistance.

    Census: 49% of US Lives in Households Receiving Gov't Benefits

    Mr Romney, as well as other right-wingers, take this data and logically suspect that, since people are likely to vote in their own best interests, those receiving federal aid are likely to vote for the party which is more amenable to continuing to grant that aid.

    While I think Mr Romney's statement was poorly-worded, there is some truth to it.
    You should have gone right to their source. I almost called you on using Breitbart as a reliable source.

    At any rate, when you call about half of the population a bunch of lazy layabouts, that doesn't bode well for your electoral chances. Especially when everybody already suspects that you're an out of touch rich guy.

    Ironically, wasn't 47% about the percentage that Romney got? Coincidence??


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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not so much that it makes you a leech, just that it makes you care less about deficit spending for gov't income redistribution programs or favor any tax reform - you can't pay less than zero or beat getting a refund exceeding your withholding.
    That's not what Romney said. He basically called them leaches. I'm glad you disagree, because personally I find the notion that retired seniors, who worked for 50 years, "can't be convinced to take responsibility for themselves" to be appalling. Same with deployed combat troops. Or investment bankers.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That's not what Romney said. He basically called them leaches. I'm glad you disagree, because personally I find the notion that retired seniors, who worked for 50 years, "can't be convinced to take responsibility for themselves" to be appalling. Same with deployed combat troops. Or investment bankers.
    Right, but those are not the leaches Romney was talking about. He was talking about blacks, hispanics, college kids, women and everyone else he can insult to the applause of his core voting demographic.
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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Right, but those are not the leaches Romney was talking about. He was talking about blacks, hispanics, college kids, women and everyone else he can insult to the applause of his core voting demographic.
    Yes, the dog whistles are getting pretty abstract.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Your number of 18.9% includes only individuals who receive major (defined how?) government assistance, monthly, and the data is from 2009.

    My number of 49% includes anyone who lives in the same household as someone receiving any sort of government assistance, at any time in the first quarter of 2011.

    The assumption is that other people who live in the household also depend on the income generated by the financial aid.

    Either way, had Romeny used a number like 30% rather than 47%, would that have made it better in your eyes?
    I would have like Mr. Romney to define the number and stand by it. If that's really what he believed, stand up for it. Don't just back out and say you miss spoke. You didn't miss speak, if you are throwing out a number a like that. You're crazy if you think people are going to believe that bs story, lol.

    In regards to the numbers, you are making quite a few assumptions regarding people who receive benefits from the government. I pulled the 2009 info, because that's the information I thought Mr. Romney was referring to, but I'm happy to bump it up to more recent. What I find odd is your 2011 numbers, I would love a source. I looked on the census website and they don't have a full 2011 report available, so I'm not sure how you are coming to your conclusions.

    Regardless, you are still generalizing. You can't possibly know how one person's government assistance, effects a household, nor in what capacity. All you can do is assume, which is fine here on a message board, but not what I want to hear from someone running for the President. Drawing assertions is something we all do, but standing in a room full of people who are donating to your campaign, and pulling a number out of thin air like that is just dumb. Then claiming you didn't mean and you just miss spoke is cowardly. I wouldn't want a President like that. Granted I didn't want President Obama either, but hey, that's what a two party system gets us.
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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Afraid to actually give an answer?
    You got one. I don't care that you do not like it.

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    Your concession is noted. The fact you cannot back up your claims with FACTS is noted.
    Do you ever get tired of repeating the same thing over and over?
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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You got one. I don't care that you do not like it.



    Do you ever get tired of repeating the same thing over and over?
    You never seem to tire of it.

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You never seem to tire of it.
    OMG, you are comedic genius!
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