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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    How is this news again?
    It's news again, I think, because of the interview that Mr. Romney did FOX, claiming it was just an unfortunate incident that was twisted and distorted. I don't blame Mr. Prouty for dissallowing that to be the way this video is remembered. He didn't miss speak. Mr. Romney really meant what he said, otherwise he wouldn't have put such precise number on it. If he meant it to be a general statement, then he pulled that number out of thin air to make himself sound smarter. Either way, the GOP has continued to perpetuate the idea that half of the country don't take personal responsibility for their actions, and trying to pass that off as a fact. The statistics, census reports, congressional reports and the IRS, don't support that claim. I have yet to see any legitimate data to support the idea that nearly half of the coutry will always for democrate because they want a hand out. It's bs, that hasn't gone away since this video was released.
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    It's news again, I think, because of the interview that Mr. Romney did FOX, claiming it was just an unfortunate incident that was twisted and distorted. I don't blame Mr. Prouty for dissallowing that to be the way this video is remembered. He didn't miss speak. Mr. Romney really meant what he said, otherwise he wouldn't have put such precise number on it. If he meant it to be a general statement, then he pulled that number out of thin air to make himself sound smarter. Either way, the GOP has continued to perpetuate the idea that half of the country don't take personal responsibility for their actions, and trying to pass that off as a fact. The statistics, census reports, congressional reports and the IRS, don't support that claim. I have yet to see any legitimate data to support the idea that nearly half of the coutry will always for democrate because they want a hand out. It's bs, that hasn't gone away since this video was released.
    Its pretty obvious he was pandering to the crowd in the video, something politicians live on, yet is only a big deal in the media with its a Republican. What evidence would you accept that people will vote democrat for a handout? I dont imagine they will admit it.

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I said he wasnt technically correct. He was obviously speaking rhetorically, but since hes a Republican, hes going to have every word analayzed given and no mercy received. Thats the price you pay for not being a liberal.
    Seriously? How do you speak rhetorically with an specific percentage? lol. That just doesn't make any sense to me. If you throw out a number like that, it makes it sound like a fact, with a statistical basis. Either he knew exactly what he was saying, regurgitated a statistic he heard some where or made it up on the spot, but this whole, 'I miss spoke' thing, is total bs.
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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Its pretty obvious he was pandering to the crowd in the video, something politicians live on, yet is only a big deal in the media with its a Republican. What evidence would you accept that people will vote democrat for a handout? I dont imagine they will admit it.
    I don't in any way dispute the fact that people with vote democrate for handout. My dispute is the estimation of how many. 47% is the number of people who don't pay income tax. There is a multitude of reasons people are exempt from paying income tax. Some of those reasons are legitimate, and deserving of that exemption, for instance, the military. Lumping those people in with those who manipulate the system so they don't have to work, is disrespectful and inacurate. It perpetuates an inaccurate view of the socioeconomic satus of half of the country. That's why I think this issue is still relevant. That miss representation is still being propgated by the GOP establishment.
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    It's news again, I think, because of the interview that Mr. Romney did FOX, claiming it was just an unfortunate incident that was twisted and distorted. I don't blame Mr. Prouty for dissallowing that to be the way this video is remembered. He didn't miss speak. Mr. Romney really meant what he said, otherwise he wouldn't have put such precise number on it. If he meant it to be a general statement, then he pulled that number out of thin air to make himself sound smarter. Either way, the GOP has continued to perpetuate the idea that half of the country don't take personal responsibility for their actions, and trying to pass that off as a fact. The statistics, census reports, congressional reports and the IRS, don't support that claim. I have yet to see any legitimate data to support the idea that nearly half of the coutry will always for democrate because they want a hand out. It's bs, that hasn't gone away since this video was released.
    According to the latest cencus data, approximately 49% of Americans are receiving federal aid of some sort.

    If they are receiving federal aid, one must assume that they depend on it... otherwise we really need to take a look at our federal aid programs.

    Thus, it would be accurate to say that 49% of Americans depend on federal assistance.

    Census: 49% of US Lives in Households Receiving Gov't Benefits

    Mr Romney, as well as other right-wingers, take this data and logically suspect that, since people are likely to vote in their own best interests, those receiving federal aid are likely to vote for the party which is more amenable to continuing to grant that aid.

    While I think Mr Romney's statement was poorly-worded, there is some truth to it.

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    According to the latest cencus data, approximately 49% of Americans are receiving federal aid of some sort.

    If they are receiving federal aid, one must assume that they depend on it... otherwise we really need to take a look at our federal aid programs.

    Thus, it would be accurate to say that 49% of Americans depend on federal assistance.

    Census: 49% of US Lives in Households Receiving Gov't Benefits

    Mr Romney, as well as other right-wingers, take this data and logically suspect that, since people are likely to vote in their own best interests, those receiving federal aid are likely to vote for the party which is more amenable to continuing to grant that aid.

    While I think Mr Romney's statement was poorly-worded, there is some truth to it.
    I love when people cite a news source as fact. I put as much stock in Brietbart interpretation of census data, as I do MSNBC, lol. You should look at the actual census information, http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/p70-130.pdf

    If you look at what the census actually concluded, you would see that only 18.6% of American receive major government assistance, monthy, in 2009. Just because someone falls on hard times and needs food stamps for a couple months to feed their kids, doesn't make them a suck on the system. I'm not denying that those people exist, I just don't think they exist to the extent the GOP establishmen would like the public to believe.
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I understand that you do not understand a simple sentence.
    It's definitely "simple" alright. As in unsophisticated to the point of not making sense.

    Uh, no. There where many colleges that banned recruiters from their campus prior to that decision.
    Colleges are now "the left"? I guess to the uneducated, it would seem so.

    It's no wonder America is going down the crapper... it seems most people just refuse to lift a finger to learn and remove their ignorance on so many topics.

    See first response above.
    Still not a single fact. Why even continue?
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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    His surrounding comments were what was new to me:



    The only thing wrong with what he said is the percentage. It's not that high.
    The number wasn't an accident. It was the number of people not paying federal income taxes in...2009?

    The number wasn't wrong. His interpretation is. (The idea that not paying income tax makes you a leech)
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    According to the latest cencus data, approximately 49% of Americans are receiving federal aid of some sort.

    If they are receiving federal aid, one must assume that they depend on it... otherwise we really need to take a look at our federal aid programs.

    Thus, it would be accurate to say that 49% of Americans depend on federal assistance.

    Census: 49% of US Lives in Households Receiving Gov't Benefits

    Mr Romney, as well as other right-wingers, take this data and logically suspect that, since people are likely to vote in their own best interests, those receiving federal aid are likely to vote for the party which is more amenable to continuing to grant that aid.

    While I think Mr Romney's statement was poorly-worded, there is some truth to it.
    If you're counting mortgage tax credits as government assistance, you're padding numbers to fit an agenda.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Worker who taped Romney's 47% comment comes forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The number wasn't be accident. It was the number of people not paying federal income taxes in...2009?

    The number wasn't wrong. His interpretation is. (The idea that not paying income tax makes you a leech)
    Not so much that it makes you a leech, just that it makes you care less about deficit spending for gov't income redistribution programs or favor any tax reform - you can't pay less than zero or beat getting a refund exceeding your withholding.
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