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    Re: Judge approves use of 'truth serum' on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    He was allowed to leave the hospital for supervised visits with his parents in 1999, and longer unsupervised releases in 2000.[3] These privileges were revoked when he was found to have smuggled materials about Foster back into the hospital. Hinckley was later allowed supervised visits during 2004 and 2005. Court hearings were held in September 2005 on whether he could have expanded privileges to leave the hospital. Some of the testimony during the hearings centered on whether Hinckley is capable of having a normal relationship with a woman and, if not, whether that would have any bearing on what danger he would pose to society.
    On December 30, 2005, a federal judge ruled that Hinckley would be allowed visits, supervised by his parents, to their home in Williamsburg, Virginia. The judge ruled that Hinckley could have up to three visits of three nights and then four visits of four nights, each depending on the successful completion of the last. All of the experts who testified at Hinckley's 2005 conditional release hearing, including the government experts, agreed that his depression and psychotic disorder were in full remission and that he should have some expanded conditions of release.
    After Hinckley requested further freedoms including two one-week visits with his parents, as well as a month-long visit, U.S. District Judge Paul L. Friedman denied that request on Wednesday, June 6, 2007; he did not deny the request out of a concern that Hinckley was not ready.[clarification needed]
    On June 17, 2009, a federal judge ruled that Hinckley would be given the ability to visit his mother for a dozen visits of 10 days at a time, rather than six, spend more time outside of the hospital, and have a driver’s license.[17] The court also ordered that Hinckley be required to carry a GPS-enabled cell phone to track him whenever he was outside of his parents’ home, and he was forbidden to speak to the news media.[17] This was done over the objections of the prosecutors, who said that he was still a danger to others and had unhealthful and inappropriate thoughts about women. Hinckley recorded a song, “Ballad of an Outlaw,” which the prosecutors claim is “reflecting suicide and lawlessness.”[18]
    It was reported in March 2011 that a forensic psychologist at the hospital had testified that “Hinckley has recovered to the point that he poses no imminent risk of danger to himself or others.”[17] Hinckley returned to court in the spring of 2011 for further direction[17] and was granted additional family visits in May 2011.[19] On November 30, 2011, a hearing began in Washington to determine Hinckley’s future.[20]

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    I appreciate your attempt, but there is a significant difference between the two offenses - the obvious difference being that Hinckley didn't actually murder anyone. Anything's possible, I suppose, but I don't believe it's ever likely that a judge will grant Holmes any type of release in the future, should he be determined to be unfit to stand trial or not guilty by reason of insanity.

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    Re: Judge approves use of 'truth serum' on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Lol like THAT is the reason mass murders commit those murders. Because they care about pleading insanity


    These people are Intent to do what they do regardless of their punishment. Do you know what type of mind it takes to shoot a kid multiple times at close range in the face? Do you REALLY think they are worried about pleading insanity or not?
    This is silly. The mass murderer appealed for insanity plea already. That is why they want to use the serum anyway!
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    Re: Judge approves use of 'truth serum' on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If legal in this case then it is is legal in any case.
    Why can't it be legal for mass murderers only?
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    Re: Judge approves use of 'truth serum' on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    I guess I don't understand why they even need him to confess.
    Logic question. If someone booby trapped their own apartment why would they say, "My house has a bomb in it!" while being arrested? Wouldn't the defeat the main purpose of a TRAP. Wasnt the guy naked when found? How do you know some assassin/kidnapping cell didnt kidnap this dude, set up bombs in his house and tell him go with the story or they go off killing all his friendly neighbors? Hitman gets in a van and they throw this naked guy out on his ass along with incriminating evidence.

    I dont get why everyone instantly says, "Oh he's guilty" because of something they saw on the news.
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    Re: Judge approves use of 'truth serum' on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Logic question. If someone booby trapped their own apartment why would they say, "My house has a bomb in it!" while being arrested? Wouldn't the defeat the main purpose of a TRAP. Wasnt the guy naked when found? How do you know some assassin/kidnapping cell didnt kidnap this dude, set up bombs in his house and tell him go with the story or they go off killing all his friendly neighbors? Hitman gets in a van and they throw this naked guy out on his ass along with incriminating evidence.

    I dont get why everyone instantly says, "Oh he's guilty" because of something they saw on the news.
    didn't they bust him in the parking lot with guns in tow?

    as for your "kidnapping cell" conspiracy theory, I find it to be much less likely.

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    Re: Judge approves use of 'truth serum' on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    This is silly. The mass murderer appealed for insanity plea already. That is why they want to use the serum anyway!
    And like I said before, is this used in EVERY case that someone pleads insanity? Why only use it in this one? What precedence does that set as far as consitutional rights go?

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    Re: Judge approves use of 'truth serum' on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Why can't it be legal for mass murderers only?
    Because we have this terrible thing known as the constitution, you know that little piece of paper most people ignore, that doesn't allow for such distinctions.

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    Re: Judge approves use of 'truth serum' on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Because we have this terrible thing known as the constitution, you know that little piece of paper most people ignore, that doesn't allow for such distinctions.
    Your constitution does not allow for distinctions to occur between a convicted mass murderer and someone who does pity pocketing?
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    Re: Judge approves use of 'truth serum' on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Your constitution does not allow for distinctions to occur between a convicted mass murderer and someone who does pity pocketing?
    He's not convicted, and that's the entire point.

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    Re: Judge approves use of 'truth serum' on accused Aurora shooter James Holmes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    He's not convicted, and that's the entire point.
    I meant indicted with strong evidence.
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