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    Re: NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

    from my remote vantage, i had viewed bloomberg as a very bright man dedicated to public service
    but wondered if i had over-estimated him after his no-large-soda decree
    it appeared to be a solution in search of a problem
    that he would appeal this ruling confirms my over-estimation
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    Re: NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    Maybe but can you have the freedom to kill others. Food and beverage industry sells to kids their addictive and harmful products. Also healthy people pay for a lot of health care costs of people making bad nutritional choices.
    Kids, or rather their parents, arent forced to buy soda. Therefore the food and beverage industry arent responsible. They offer something someone else wants.

    Youre right on health costs though. The govt forces healthy people to pay for others health needs through taxes. Im perfectly ok with ending those taxes and subsidies of healthcare.

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    Re: NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    I actually think life is a gift. We didn't create it so suicide is wrong. and should be illegal also. I'd be a big hit at Libertarian rallies. Freedom to do anything and everything we want YEAH!!! Too bad there must be cause and effect. Boo!
    Libertarians would not support govt paying for healthcare, so there is no effect on others.

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    Re: NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Your argument is not related to the issue at hand. This is not a case about regulating the food and beverage industry since the bylaw did not ban the sale of the product, it only banned the sale of the product in certain sizes at certain locations. Under the bylaw, I could walk into McDonalds and buy four 10 ounce Cokes but I couldn't buy one 40 ounce Coke. Likewise, I could walk into the local grocery store and buy a family size bottle of Coke but I couldn't buy the 40 ounce cup next door at McDonalds.

    It would be an entirely different discussion if, like with smoking, it was determined that the product itself is inherently unhealthy and its sale should be regulated in all locations equally. With smoking, as an example, you can't freely buy 20 cigarettes individually yet not purchase a package of 20 cigarettes because if you smoke all 20 you do more harm to yourself than if you smoke just one.

    I may be far more in line with your position if you were to be in favor of banning certain levels of sugar from all products - but then you'd have the good folks in Louisiana after you - I'm strongly opposed to any attempt to limit consumption of a legal product.
    Of course my argument goes beyond Bloomberg's policies. And yes I am speaking of banning across the board.

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    Re: NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Libertarians would not support govt paying for healthcare, so there is no effect on others.
    They should ask Ron Paul if a woman say is getting assaulted in front of you do you have a moral obligation to stop it as an individual if you can. Libertarian flaw is they support survival of fittest instead of laws pertaining to civilization. Age old question are we our brothers keepers. Also ask Ron Paul sometime if he was president and there was reason to believe there was a nuke in a suitcase in a house that has 30 minutes before it blows, no time for legal search, would he go ahead and let the bomb squad in. I could be wrong but I have a feeling he may say the latter is illegal search and against individual rights and let an entire city get blown up. His philosophy seems to be by the letter, and certain situations common sense would be put aside.

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    Re: NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I think that it is an important question. It tells this little dictator wannabe that we aren't North Korea and he can't make regulations like he pleases. That there are laws and judges will smack him down for being ridiculous. He may be head honcho in NYC...but not in the court of another man.
    In the context that I presented, the question, whether or not it is important, is moot. Bloomberg issued an edict that is impossible to enforce, because people would be buying 2 small drinks, as opposed to 1 large drink. He is wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on this lunacy too.
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    Re: NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by laska
    Any free society must have rule of law. A lot of my political philosophy derives from understanding existence requires opposing forces in all things and laws that organize creations. In a broud spiritual/physical sense that means if there is light there must be darkness and laws organize each. Obedience to laws that organize light bring blessings and freedom, obedience to laws that organize darkness brings misery and slavery. So if there is good health of the body then there is bad health, laws pertaining to each, freedom is obedience to healthy nutritional laws, you avoid disease, have ability to live live like you want and not be enslaved by sickness and disease. The purpose of government is to protect freedom. Laws should mirror the laws found in nature of, speaking broadly, that of light, anything good. Shuld companies be able to have the "freedom" of massively polluting the environment or should laws be against it to protect the real freedom of everyone having clean air to breathe and pure water to drink. Obviously a no brainer real freedom here requires laws that restrict the negative actions of the polluting companies. The food and beverage industry knowingly designs foods that takes out key nutrients in order to keep the feeling full mechanism of the body out of the way and loads it with corn syrup and sugar so kids and everyone else get addicted to the sugar highs. This drastically increases demand and profits. We know these processed foods cause high rates of all kinds of diseases such as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc. Weakens the people of the nation. For example cancer, I have read where some doctors think pretty much most healthy people produce cancer cells but that the immune system in a healthy person destroys them before they spread. But sugar causes the immune system to sleep for up to 8 hours. So a diet high in sugar causes a weaker immune system. So we let these companies get pretty much all of our kids addicted for life to these products and lessen their freedom throughout life with weaker bodies and millions of people suffer horrible painful deaths from all the diseases from the diet. So yes, I would like to have government pass laws that turn the entire food and beverage industry to whole foods and water/natural juices. People will have the freedom of course to buy whatever whole foods they want, and they can create anything unhealthy they want in their own kitchens. load up on the lard, grease, whatever. But businesses should not be able to sell these things.

    If you are against regulation of the food and beverage industries do you think they should be allowed to put anything in the food, cocaine, rat poison, etc? Are you against rules of behavior at your job, I mean that is restricting your "freedom". Do you have a problem with laws of gravity" It restricts your freedom from jumping off a cliff.


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    Re: NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Your argument is not related to the issue at hand. This is not a case about regulating the food and beverage industry since the bylaw did not ban the sale of the product, it only banned the sale of the product in certain sizes at certain locations. Under the bylaw, I could walk into McDonalds and buy four 10 ounce Cokes but I couldn't buy one 40 ounce Coke. Likewise, I could walk into the local grocery store and buy a family size bottle of Coke but I couldn't buy the 40 ounce cup next door at McDonalds.

    It would be an entirely different discussion if, like with smoking, it was determined that the product itself is inherently unhealthy and its sale should be regulated in all locations equally. With smoking, as an example, you can't freely buy 20 cigarettes individually yet not purchase a package of 20 cigarettes because if you smoke all 20 you do more harm to yourself than if you smoke just one.

    I may be far more in line with your position if you were to be in favor of banning certain levels of sugar from all products - but then you'd have the good folks in Louisiana after you - I'm strongly opposed to any attempt to limit consumption of a legal product.
    Good morning, CJ.

    Excellent well-reasoned post. I particularly like the cigarette reference. Since you're forced to buy them in packs of 20, you are going to smoke all 20, albeit one at a time. I wonder if selling them individually would have any effect on smokers' cutting down on tobacco use, or if it would be like the 40-ounce drinks versus four ten-ounce drinks?

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    Re: NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, CJ.

    Excellent well-reasoned post. I particularly like the cigarette reference. Since you're forced to buy them in packs of 20, you are going to smoke all 20, albeit one at a time. I wonder if selling them individually would have any effect on smokers' cutting down on tobacco use, or if it would be like the 40-ounce drinks versus four ten-ounce drinks?
    Good morning Lady P - hope you're well and enjoying a few spring days before the cold hits again tonight/tomorrow.

    I'm sure, for some, limiting one time access to a product like cigarettes or softdrinks would be a disincentive to use of that product but likely those who are addicted whether to cigarettes or sugar will find a way to satisfy their need. The softdrink one is really asinine though, since it assumes that if a person doesn't buy a large drink at a fast food place they won't consume the product in large amounts at home.

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    Re: NY judge halts Bloomberg ban on large sugary drinks

    I like the "Do you have a problem with the Law of Gravity" argument.



    Yes, I object to the so-called "Law" of gravity. It's unconstitutional and only serves to limit law abiding citizens (as others have ceilings with locks). Further, it's pseudo-science based on "empirical" evidence like "dinosaur" bones and global warming.

    In sum, I'd say the "law" of gravity doesn't jive with my observations, research, personal experience or scientific consensus.

    There. Now what.

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