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    Re: Pyongyang scraps armistice amid heightened saber rattling

    I think we should start talking to them. Maybe we can even exchange diplomats. Dennis Rodman comes to mind.
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    Re: Pyongyang scraps armistice amid heightened saber rattling

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    What other options are you suggesting we use? They keep getting sanctioned, they get butthurt, they saber-rattle and threaten to send out nukes.

    I firmly believe that the only reason they haven't yet is that they haven't made a proper ICBM that can do what they want it to do. I'm actually wanting to intervene before they really get to that point.

    At this point, they have only themselves to blame. They talk tough, they talk tough, they talk tough...at some point you can't just talk the talk though. You have to walk the walk. I think a slight little detonation in a couple key areas would make them talk less.

    Sometimes you have to be taught humility.
    Nuking North Korea would be a diplomatic disaster, especially preemptively. It'll freak everyone out, even our allies, the UN, and those who might otherwise be neutral. The UN would be hard-pressed to be on our side if we were the literal aggressor, meaning that UN troops can't assist and giving China and Russia more leeway in doing what they want to interfere in Korea. The problem is that North Korea's disproportionate army would be a hard beast to conquer if we decided to launch a ground invasion.
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    Re: Pyongyang scraps armistice amid heightened saber rattling

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    First of all..current nuclear weapons would not only endanger lives in North Korea, but also South Korea, China, and others.

    We could easily use other tactics...even if we attempted diplomacy and that failed...the next option isn't dropping a nuclear bomb that would devastate more than just the elites in North Korea.

    Fire Bombing Pyongyang would be a better option than a nuclear bomb.
    The firebombing of Tokyo in WWII was actually worse than when we nuked Hiroshima IIRC. Diplomatically, though, nobody is going to care as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
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    Re: Pyongyang scraps armistice amid heightened saber rattling

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, we can't get Obama to keep 10K troops in Afghanistan, do you really see him punchin' in the codes? I don't.
    He's not any more or less hawkish than anyone we've had in the past 20 years. Considering Afghanistan is becoming somewhat of a lost cause I don't blame him for withdrawing.
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    Re: Pyongyang scraps armistice amid heightened saber rattling

    We could "smart-bomb" their asses, kill minimal civilians and walk away from this mess while we dust our hands. Let Carter and Clinton whale away at it and condemn what happened - all it is is squawking...

    I'm all for diplomacy, however North Korea has no desire for diplomacy...

    I want a NK surrender but that will never happen.

    No one will do anything about the situation so I don't really see the point in having the debate here or even in government.

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    Re: Pyongyang scraps armistice amid heightened saber rattling

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Nuking North Korea would be a diplomatic disaster, especially preemptively. It'll freak everyone out, even our allies, the UN, and those who might otherwise be neutral. The UN would be hard-pressed to be on our side if we were the literal aggressor, meaning that UN troops can't assist and giving China and Russia more leeway in doing what they want to interfere in Korea. The problem is that North Korea's disproportionate army would be a hard beast to conquer if we decided to launch a ground invasion.
    You can't maintain an army that size for long. What are they going to feed their soldiers? What fuel will they use? It's a military that's just for show.
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    Re: Pyongyang scraps armistice amid heightened saber rattling

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You can't maintain an army that size for long. What are they going to feed their soldiers? What fuel will they use? It's a military that's just for show.
    The entire country is surrounded by land mines. I think both sides understand this.

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    Re: Pyongyang scraps armistice amid heightened saber rattling

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You can't maintain an army that size for long. What are they going to feed their soldiers? What fuel will they use? It's a military that's just for show.
    An initial assault would be devastating, just because of the way South Korean cities are built. Thousands can die in a single artillery strike if Seoul is targeted. If a full assault breaches the border, it will be equally devastating, and once they start getting desperate for supplies, they become even more dangerous. They'll continue to push forward or die, simply because the North Korean soldier knows that anything we throw at them is nothing compared to what their own will do to them and their families if they fall back or surrender.

    If it came to ground fighting, we would be forced into a war of attrition. They will fight until the last man is dead, and we will comply with that request. War is not the desirable outcome for either side.
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    Pyongyang scraps armistice amid heightened saber rattling

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    No it is not time for that at all. Nuclear weapons shouldn't be used unless there is no other option...after we exhausted every other effort.


    I hate it when people want to use those weapons...too many innocent people will die. Do you want that?
    If we get nuked...you really expect to sit on our hands? You wouldn't be just a little spun up if LA got a radiation bath?

    Leveling that nation is an option. Not the first. I personally don't WANT to nuke them...but if they want to play the game...we aren't the ones that will lose.

    I honestly propose some Cold Waresque resistance to NK government. Shuttle in guns and ammo. Drop off leaflets about their government, how crappy their lives are, how much their government spends on luxury. Start putting food at the border. You know. The usual penetrate deep and destroy from within stuff.
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